another question about production numbers [Archive]

Dave

07-06-2008, 10:29 PM

i just purchased a 95 s351 convertible and was wondering if anyone has a detailed production list? maybe by color, or how many were supercharged?

According to The Saleen Book (http://www.bradbowling.com/) by Brad Bowling. 53 S351s in 1995 were R-Codes.

Contact Team Saleen for the details for your particular vehicle.

BTW: Welcome to the forums! :smile:

What color is you '95?

Oh: Also by Brad's book. 89 Coupes, 43 'verts, and 7 SRs. Total of 139.

505s351

07-07-2008, 10:24 AM

thanks for the info, my car is white. whats the team saleen website that you can get a letter of authentixity and VIN specific info from, is it just the saleen.com website

Jim D.

07-07-2008, 12:15 PM

Team Saleen will usually give you a brief synopsis by e-mail, depending on the year, and I don't know for sure what they have handy for 1995.

If you want a certificate of authenticity, which will include a little research in a nice letter suitable for framing, they do charge for that. They also charge for a reproduction window sticker, suitable for framing (though you can usually get a photocopy of the window sticker for the asking if you're the owner). Somewhere about $35-70 each, but don't quote me.

The old Team Saleen e-mail address has not worked since about as far back as when Pati Reard retired in February and they moved the office from Irvine to Troy.

You can e-mail Janice Anene at janice.anene_at_saleen.com or call 248-743-6429.

If you just want to order the certificate or window sticker, you can either call Janice or Speedlab sales at 800-888-8945. Expect at least 6 weeks for the paperwork unless they tell you othewise.

Dave

07-07-2008, 06:36 PM

Last I knew:
Letter of Authenticity is $35.00
Window Sticker is $75.00

Is this the white T-Code '95 Spyder in AZ that hung around the internet for a few? Owner installed Vortech.

Or is this a different 1995 S351?

505s351

07-07-2008, 06:56 PM

YES WHY!!!??? i technically havent picked it up yet, we are trading this weekend!!!!

Dave

07-07-2008, 08:22 PM

YES WHY!!!??? i technically havent picked it up yet, we are trading this weekend!!!!

No reason, just asking.

Make sure you know what you're buying and ask questions.

If memory serves me right, the old ad stated the car was issued a state VIN tag mounted on the door, follow up as to why if you haven’t.

Also in 1995, Ford placed VIN stickers on all the body panels. See if they still exist on the inner fenders (visible in the engine compartment), lower doors, and inner quarter panels (visible with the trunk open).

Run a CarFax, check the title for branding, and request any original paperwork, receipts, etc from the seller.

Look over the Vortech install and any other owner added equipment.

Didn’t seem like a bad car, but make sure it’s not a money pit and try to find and solve any skeletons… if any exist.

505s351

07-07-2008, 08:28 PM

i plan to do a thorough check, you had me worried for a second i thought you knew something i didnt.

Dave

07-07-2008, 10:16 PM

Also talk to Greg at the Saleen Locating Service (http://www.saleenls.com). He's known as saleenlocator on this forum.

He’s an unbiased individual who can give pointers and pricing scales for Saleen vehicles to both the new and experienced enthusiasts.

Greg’s my mentor. :wink:

Also, if you pass on this '95... he might have an idea of where you can find another.

Keep you bottom line in mind. The stouter 1997-2000 chassis R-codes had a number of electrical, fuel, and internal upgrades. Most of which are beyond me. :redface:

Since it seems like people are either chasing the old FOX Saleens or buying leftover new ones... some good buys can be had with the 351 cars and a factory R-code might not be out of reach.

hattrick

07-08-2008, 12:00 AM

Just a quick note on 95 production numbers. I recently went through the 95 registery info in Brad's book trying to figure out how many convertible R-Codes were built. There were a total of 54 R-Codes in the registery plus mine which is not shown as an R-Code but the window sticker clearly shows it. Also, there were 10 convertible R-Codes listed plus mine again.

Dave

07-08-2008, 12:17 AM

Dave

07-08-2008, 12:41 AM

i just purchased a 95 s351 convertible and was wondering if anyone has a detailed production list? maybe by color, or how many were supercharged?

Here's the stats from the registry for 95-0018.

Last three digits of the Ford VIN: 666
Ship Date: 02/14/1995
State: TX
Owners: James C. Barr, Adrian Robicheaux
Comments: TCode, Tire Upgrade, Twin Pod, Spyder, Black Top

hattrick

07-08-2008, 10:43 AM

I was just thankful 95 was not one of the larger production years! The 95 has been great and I am really enjoying it. The only issue that has come up is a high idle, 1,300 - 2,000 RPM. I pulled the idle air module and it was clean and both the valve and actuator seemed to move freely. If anyone has any suggestions I would really apreciat it.

S351Saleen77

07-24-2008, 01:01 PM

I995 was THE largest production year for S351's by far.

Don't quote me on these #'s because I might be off by a few on some of the years, but 1995 was by far the big year #.
1994- 46
1995-133
1996- 20
1997- 40
1998- 22
1999- 45

I emailed (a few times) Saleen to get info on 1995 # 58 that I got last summer and they said something like 95 were made in 1995 so they are way off. They said that #58 was 1 of 12 but I'm not sure I trust their figures. I emailed back and no response.

I guess I need to call and talk to someone??

Jim D.

07-24-2008, 02:06 PM

S351Saleen77,

Dave's got the numbers posted on the website on this page: http://soec.org/vehicle/mustang/

fud

07-24-2008, 03:25 PM

1999 S281 S/Cs: Option"

That's sorta vague. :)

S351Saleen77

07-24-2008, 05:34 PM

I just got a response back from Saleen today after a month!!

She says that there were 92 coupes and 40 converts for a total of 132 made in 1995. She said 12 were Rio red like #58, and I did say that #58 had cloth and standard brakes but there was no response to that so I'm assuming 12 of the same.

I looked in the Saleen book and counted 126 plus 7 SR's for a total of 133.

The chart that was just posted shows 89 coupes, 42 converts, 1 Cobra Convert for a total of 139.

So is it 132 like Saleen just said? or 133 like Brads book says or 139 like the chart says??:confused:

S351Saleen77

07-24-2008, 07:21 PM

Dave

07-25-2008, 01:10 AM

Dave

07-25-2008, 01:14 AM

1999 S281 S/Cs: Option"

That's sorta vague. :)

Hmmm. I agree. :smile:

What happened there was... the page got set up in 2005 and we took what info we had.

I'm guessing I had a plan to, at some point, request a search... but never happened.

The SOEC.org website project... was like a large snowball.

S351Saleen77

07-25-2008, 01:31 AM

My vehicle inquiry from Janice.

"A total of 132 S351s were built in 1995 - 92 were coups like the one in question. Of the 92 with black exterior and black interior, 8 had Saleen Leather seats while 12 opted for the R Code."

My response today was from Janice. #58 is N/A and is Red not black with black cloth and standard brakes. She just said 12 were like it not really giving any more info like how many had leather or cloth or brakes etc.

These production #'s are off from Liz in 2001 and Brads book. You would think that everyone would come up with the same # produced??

Dave

07-25-2008, 01:43 AM

Here's the detailed report:

"Hi Dave:

Our records indicate that 92 S351s were built in 1995. Your vehicle is 1 of 19 vehicles with the following details:

* Exterior color: Black
* Interior color: Black
* Styling color: Silver
* Wheel Color: Silver

Your vehicle is 1 of 7 with the above details and a 2 Point Chassis Brace.

Let us know if you need anything more.

Thank you for your interest in Saleen.

Janice Anene"

S351Saleen77

07-25-2008, 01:51 AM

S351Saleen77

07-25-2008, 01:54 AM

I guess it must be yours??:rolleyes:

Jim D.

07-25-2008, 02:13 AM

Snowball?

More like an avalanche, and we often dug for cover! :biggrin:

505s351

07-25-2008, 11:30 AM

i have a letter from saleen saying that my car is "one of a kind".:smile: my car is a white spyder, silver accents and wheels, t-code, pod gauges, leather seats. hearing that made my day, but when i called and asked for the window sticker info janice said that all the records were in transition from theyre old building to where they are now, hopefully they will get there soon. im just really curious how much the car originally sold for:confused:

fud

07-25-2008, 01:27 PM

I just called Janice yesterday (and left a message) about the production numbers for '99.

Hopefully I'll get something back sometime.

Dave

07-25-2008, 08:26 PM

Snowball?

More like an avalanche, and we often dug for cover! :biggrin:

Word on the street... a few folks inside the SOEC are digging for cover. :wink:

Dave

07-25-2008, 08:34 PM

I guess it must be yours??:rolleyes:

Sorry. I went to bed after posting. Yeah... something close to that. :cool:

i have a letter from saleen saying that my car is "one of a kind".:smile: my car is a white spyder, silver accents and wheels, t-code, pod gauges, leather seats. hearing that made my day, but when i called and asked for the window sticker info janice said that all the records were in transition from theyre old building to where they are now, hopefully they will get there soon. im just really curious how much the car originally sold for:confused:

By Bowlings Book:

1995 S351 'vert: $43,990.00
T code: $4,744.00
Guage Pod: $438.00
Tire Upgrade: $1,375.00
Spyder: $1,125.00

Saleen Book link: http://www.bradbowling.com/

I just called Janice yesterday (and left a message) about the production numbers for '99.

Hopefully I'll get something back sometime.

Cool beans. If you receive the info, I'll update the production page. I need to anyway for 2006.

mikebna

07-25-2008, 10:17 PM

Cool beans. If you receive the info, I'll update the production page. I need to anyway for 2006.
HEY HEY wait aminute dave, whats this about 2006??? lets not wait for the 95 info if ya got it give it up....
:confused:
mike

Dave

07-26-2008, 01:07 AM

HEY HEY wait aminute dave, whats this about 2006??? lets not wait for the 95 info if ya got it give it up....
:confused:
mike

http://saleenforums.soec.org/showthread.php?t=3138

awayne

07-26-2008, 02:25 AM

Yes, almost all the cars will be listed as "on of a kind" when you break down with color, wheel type, strip color, interior color and any additional options for that year. One car I used to own could have also been a one of a kind if I really broke down the options, but I ended up saying it was one of about 50 built like it.

i have a letter from saleen saying that my car is "one of a kind".:smile: my car is a white spyder, silver accents and wheels, t-code, pod gauges, leather seats. hearing that made my day, but when i called and asked for the window sticker info janice said that all the records were in transition from theyre old building to where they are now, hopefully they will get there soon. im just really curious how much the car originally sold for:confused:

Dave

07-26-2008, 02:33 PM

Wayne brings up a great point. When you start getting into the details, a percentage of the Saleens are a 1-of-1.

If we look at the 1999-2004 era… stuff like optional Saleen floor mats… or no mats with a specific color combo can make a 1-of-1.

With that said, the T-code is a major option so it would be interesting to know how many white ones were produced with package.

fud

07-28-2008, 05:29 PM

Just got off the phone with Janice (after a bunch of phone tag).

If I wrote things down right (I was trying to write fast to jot down the numbers). In 1999 there were 170 converts, 183 coupes, 8 Cobra coupes, and 12 Cobra converts.

...and, my #99-0318 is one of 2 Rio Red S/Cd coupes.

For some reason, I have a smile on my face.

S351Saleen77

07-28-2008, 05:43 PM

I also meant to include that in a letter from Liz in August 2001 regarding 1995 #77 she says that there were 128 S351's and 7 Sr's for a total of 135 in 1995.

So we have 132,133,135,&139 made in 1995!! Which one is correct?:confused:

So back to the 1995 production #'s that started the post.

Is there any way to figure out what one it is?? Do we trust Saleen today and go with 132? Or Liz from 2001 with 128? or Brads bookat 133, or 139 like the chart??

Dave

07-28-2008, 10:32 PM

So back to the 1995 production #'s that started the post.

Is there any way to figure out what one it is?? Do we trust Saleen today and go with 132? Or Liz from 2001 with 128? or Brads bookat 133, or 139 like the chart??

Good question S351Saleen77. Greg and Jim were talking this over a few days ago.

I'm aware when Jim was talking production numbers back in 2005, an SN-95 S281 Cobra was found because it was incorrectly filed as a GT chassis. Then you have the black(?) S/C coupe Troy produced after the 2005 production letters were mailed to 2005 owners. +1

I don't remember where the numbers came from that are on this site. Maybe Jim knows. My mind is burnt.

Just got off the phone with Janice (after a bunch of phone tag).

If I wrote things down right (I was trying to write fast to jot down the numbers). In 1999 there were 170 converts, 183 coupes, 8 Cobra coupes, and 12 Cobra converts.

...and, my #99-0318 is one of 2 Rio Red S/Cd coupes.

For some reason, I have a smile on my face.

Good new fud! Does this mean two Rio Red S/C coupes or two Rio Red with the same exact options? Doesn't matter. Enjoy your 1 or 2!!! :biggrin:

awayne

07-28-2008, 11:30 PM

So back to the 1995 production #'s that started the post.

Is there any way to figure out what one it is?? Do we trust Saleen today and go with 132? Or Liz from 2001 with 128? or Brads bookat 133, or 139 like the chart??

Well its like the 1989 SSC's.... I have seen different numbers, 160, 161 etc.

With the production stats being moved a few times it is possibly that the numbers are different IMO. Atleast the range is only 11 and not 100 so it could be really alot worse. I would personally go off the 133 from brads book since there was alot of time spent on that IMO.

I really don't know if there is a true way to figure out the production stats especially that far back.

The only ones that we know 100% correct are:

SA-10 = 9 (one stolen and never recovered so only 8 still around and one of the total of 10 that were going to be produced was never changed into a saleen and is still in Southern California as a stock mustang)
SA-15 = 10
SA-20 = 10

There are a few others i'm sure but the above models are 100% accurate just because they were very limited production and easier to keep track of. Maybe a few others with letter from Saleen will jump in and let us know what there letter says the total production is.

mikebna

07-28-2008, 11:33 PM

SA-5........1:smile:

Dave

07-28-2008, 11:43 PM

SA-5........1:smile:

Unless you want to kinda' count Jimmy Moore's black, tan '88 with '89 neon green tape.

There's a formal "thank you" letter from SS to JM about how the original idea was to make black, tan, gold SA-5s... so on... and or forth... then the project became the SSC for '89... so JM was thanked for letting his '88 serve as a development vehicle.

I can't recall the letter in detail.

mikebna

07-29-2008, 12:16 AM

Unless you want to kinda' count Jimmy Moore's black, tan '88 with '89 neon green tape.

There's a formal "thank you" letter from SS to JM about how the original idea was to make black, tan, gold SA-5s... so on... and or forth... then the project became the SSC for '89... so JM was thanked for letting his '88 serve as a development vehicle.

I can't recall the letter in detail.
looks like i was:smile:,, 88-03 is listed as an SA5(SSC prototype) in brads book...one of a kind, didn't see it listed on the 85 list on the soec web site though. here's a link http://www.performanceautosport.com/detail.asp?car=5745 to a nice picture.

I just thought it was kinda odd, and why wouldn't it be claimed as an SA5? would be kinda cool.

awayne

07-29-2008, 01:04 AM

Dave

07-29-2008, 01:06 AM

looks like i was:smile:,, 88-03 is listed as an SA5(SSC prototype) in brads book...one of a kind, didn't see it listed on the 85 list on the soec web site though. here's a linkto a nice picture.

I just thought it was kinda odd, and why wouldn't it be claimed as an SA5? would be kinda cool.

The SA-5 is more of a development car. No reason to pull it out or to call it out of the 1988 production run. It's not like the SA-10, SA-15, SA-20. Or even an SSC or SC.

Where I was going... the form letters for 88-0003 and 88-0004 were somewhat similar with SA-5 speak. 0003 was seen in press as an SA-5... while 0004 was not

mikebna

07-29-2008, 01:14 AM

I had always thought that 1989 was the 5th year for saleen??? 1984+5=1989?

So 88-03 would be considered the prototype for the SSC (SA-5)?

I have to pull out my book on my SSC to see what info I have on it. I think I have some original docs explaining the SSC and it also refers to it as the SA-5.
so....it reads that the 88-03 SA-5 car was the prototype for the 89ssc's, nothin wrong with that. 88-04 (jimmy moores car) is only listed with some options and some of the protoype peices only, nothin wrong with that.:smile:
Here is a nice article written by Brad Bowling on the SA-5 http://www.mustangmonthly.com/featuredvehicles/mump_0601_1989_ford_mustang_saleen/index.html
mike

Dave

07-29-2008, 01:29 AM

I had always thought that 1989 was the 5th year for saleen??? 1984+5=1989?

It would be to logical to use 1984. Saleen worked off of 1983. '88 would be the 5th, '93 10th, '98 15th, '03 20th, '08 25th.

So 88-03 would be considered the prototype for the SSC (SA-5)?
Kinda'. The SA-5 idea for 1988 became the SSC for '89 and then people called it the unoffical 25th Anniversary Mustang.

I have to pull out my book on my SSC to see what info I have on it. I think I have some original docs explaining the SSC and it also refers to it as the SA-5.There are a few different press releases. The SA-5 stuff was updated. Greg has more stuff than I can recall, but can remember see handwritten changes between copies and dealer releases.

Your SSC binder should have similar stuff though.

What was on the cover of that old Mustang & Ford Trader? The SSC 0007? The thing that was claimed to be built for racing and had a back seat. Typo? Imaginary?

Dave

07-29-2008, 01:39 AM

so....it reads that the 88-03 SA-5 car was the prototype for the 89ssc's, nothin wrong with that. 88-04 (jimmy moores car) is only listed with some options and some of the protoype peices only, nothin wrong with that.:smile:

mike

True 'dat Mike. True 'dat, yo. :cool:

I think the thing is... and where I might be going... record keeping was not spot on. Things get lost. Then we're left here wondering what happened. :confused:

:wink:

awayne

07-29-2008, 02:34 AM

It would be to logical to use 1984. Saleen worked off of 1983. '88 would be the 5th, '93 10th, '98 15th, '03 20th, '08 25th.

Kinda'. The SA-5 idea for 1988 became the SSC for '89 and then people called it the unoffical 25th Anniversary Mustang.

There are a few different press releases. The SA-5 stuff was updated. Greg has more stuff than I can recall, but can remember see handwritten changes between copies and dealer releases.

Your SSC binder should have similar stuff though.

What was on the cover of that old Mustang & Ford Trader? The SSC 0007? The thing that was claimed to be built for racing and had a back seat. Typo? Imaginary?

I had thought about it a bit after I posted the above and realized I was wrong in going off 1984.... Since Saleen was founded in 1983, but real production didn't start till 1984... I just had 1984 on the mind.

There is only one factory built SSC with a backseat other then the one that someone put a backseat in. I have docs from DP wheels regarding the production of my car and the total price with the factory option on the backseat aswell. Some of these letters are on letter head from DP wheel manufacture.

It looks like that is possibly the one that was modified with the backseat from what I can tell... I think when I saw it, it was located in TN. I have to see if I have a pic of it somewhere.

Dave

07-29-2008, 06:57 PM

It looks like that is possibly the one that was modified with the backseat from what I can tell... I think when I saw it, it was located in TN. I have to see if I have a pic of it somewhere.

Was the SSC you speak of on EBay awhile back? The one running the 1990-1993 front splitter… that might have taken a hit… then received a backseat, produced by FloFit before they closed, during repair? I think that was pretty much the story or claim. Needed a backseat for the kids or something. If so, this is/was a different one.

Even if we say there’s an SSC 0007… regardless of the backseat… then we see the printed registry doesn’t show a 0007 SSC. Which goes back to things being hit-or-miss. Like S281 96-0001; that’s a real car, but not listed in the printed registry.

Which goes back to the numbers game we play. Beats me.

Dave

07-29-2008, 07:18 PM

***Update***

By way of Liz Saleen, 0007 was built by a guy in the parts department. Not real.

So yeah... I guess we go back to S351 production.

awayne

07-30-2008, 01:26 AM

Was the SSC you speak of on EBay awhile back? The one running the 1990-1993 front splitter… that might have taken a hit… then received a backseat, produced by FloFit before they closed, during repair? I think that was pretty much the story or claim. Needed a backseat for the kids or something. If so, this is/was a different one.

Even if we say there’s an SSC 0007… regardless of the backseat… then we see the printed registry doesn’t show a 0007 SSC. Which goes back to things being hit-or-miss. Like S281 96-0001; that’s a real car, but not listed in the printed registry.

Which goes back to the numbers game we play. Beats me.

Yes, the owner needed a car to hold kids and added the backseat. I can also say it was not in the best of condition when I had seen it.

I had also knew that 0007 was not a real car like you stated in another post above. But I do agree it is a BIG hit-or-miss on production facts of these cars at times.

95s351

04-09-2009, 03:55 PM

Does anyone have any info on my 1995 S351 #60? Black/Black leather black mag wheels ?

Dave

04-09-2009, 07:08 PM

Hi there!

Team Saleen will be the best source for detailed production information on your '95.

The Saleen Registry, printed within The Saleen Book by Brad Bowling has this...

95-0060:
Ship: 05/26/95
State: (blank)
Owners: (blank)
Comments: R-Code, Tire Upgrade, Wheel Upgrade, 3.27:1 gears, Saleen Leather

98saleen#059

04-09-2009, 07:30 PM

Anything on 98-0059?

Dave

04-09-2009, 08:10 PM

Team Saleen will be the best source for detailed production information on your '98.

The Saleen Registry, printed within The Saleen Book by Brad Bowling has this...

98-0059:
Ship: 01/16/98
State: 1-CA, 2-GA
Owners: 1-Ted J., 2-Dennis C.
Comments: (blank)