Killer Chiller

[Light02atl]

I spoke with Kincaid performance. Their Killer Chiller setup WILL work on our S331s.

The Killer Chiller hooks into your AC lines to cool your IAT (inlet charge). I know a lot of lightning guys have seen drops as much as 40-50degrees in their air temperature. Cost is roughly $600

[Light02atl]

The Killer Chiller is finally available!

First off, the technical aspects of the system.

What are the advantages of the Killer Chiller system?

1: Extremely low intercooler fluid temps (35 to 50 degrees F), which allows for MORE boost and/or MORE spark for GREATER, SAFER POWER!
2: Sustained power and continual safety!
3: Reduced blower drive power consumption (via the "2nd order effect")!

Heat is the #1 enemy of performance and safety, especially in forced induction applications. This is especially true when you continue to raise boost. Blower exit temps can be astronomical! We all know that a cooler charge into the combustion chamber will allow for the ability to run more boost and spark on a given octane, and do so with a higher safety margin. This is in addition to the fact of an even greater safety margin on lower boost and spark levels. With the Killer Chiller, most everyone will experience a drop in intercooler temps of between 40 and 80+ degrees! This system can be ran full time for a constant reduction in intercooler temps, or part time for a consistent and reliable reduction in overall intercooler temps.

How does it work?

When you turn the AC on the refrigerant is forced through the chiller core. The core employs a counter-flow design, which utilizes stainless sheets stamped with a herringbone pattern of grooves, stacked in alternating directions to form separate flow channels (one channel for the refrigerant, and one for the IC fluid). This allows 90% of the chiller core to be used for heat transfer, making it extremely efficient at chilling down the IC fluid, and allowing for more boost and or timing as noted above.

Touching further, the temp of the refrigerant will be about 15-20 degrees entering the core, and the exit temp should be around 35 degrees. The refrigerant will then make its way back to the evap at about 40-45 degrees and exit at around 65 degrees, so there should be little to no condensation, but this will allow the refrigerant to go through the accumulator and protect the compressor from any moisture, and/or contaminates.

Data:

Using Tim's (Blwn04 on ModularFords) 2004 Cobra, we achieved a consistent 35 to 42 degrees today through the KC core, and a consistent 45 to 55 degrees in the intercooler reservoir, even after several repeated brisk pulls (keep in mind that the intercooler reservoir fluid comes directly out of the intercooler, *after* it heats up).

Within a confined room of approx. 65 to 70 degree temps, we let Tim's Cobra warm up to operating temperature. With the A/C off, therefore no KC cooling, the intercooler reservoir temperatures were approx. 85 to 90+ degrees (would have heated up even further if he would have let it continue to run without the KC chilling). Then Tim turned on the A/C, and within 1 minute the IC reservoir temps dropped down to 60 degrees. Within approx. 2 more minutes they had dropped down to 50 degrees. He shut the A/C off and it raised up to approx. 75 degrees after approx. 3 minutes. As he continued to let it heat up over time, the IC coolant actually become quite hot (near scalding).

Danny's (danoid5631 here on NLOC) Lightning experienced basically the exact same findings (the KC core is the same for each). I'll elaborate more in depth on both vehicles throughout this thread.

Important Information:

Insulation: Neither vehicle had any insulation on the supply/feed lines. However, we do recommend everyone to insulate as much as possible, as there is increased efficiency and cooling you will gain from doing such.

Refrigerant: We ended up with basically the exact same amount of refrigerant (R134A) as factory already calls for. The A/C cycles on/off normally, and there isn't any issues to be concerned with here. Realize that this system will work properly with basically the same amount of refrigerant as factory (that's a big benefit, especially for ease of install and implementation). Most all of us knows someone in the automotive A/C industry that can recharge our systems properly. For the system to work properly, it is very important that they install the exact amount of refrigerant we call for. Do not let them overcharge or undercharge, or you will have reduced performance, and potentially zero cooling.

Installation: The system is extremely easy to install. It requires about the same effort and time as installing your supercharger (tho everyone is different in this regard). I estimate approx. 4 hours to 8 hours to install this, depending on your rate of work, with most falling in around 6 hours, not counting the time to for the evac and recharge of the system (generally about 30 min to 1 hour). It is a straight forward installation that I just cannot see anyone getting in a bind with.

Note: PLEASE be careful, and kind to everyone, and do NOT pollute refrigerant. R134A is HIGHLY toxic when breathed, and tho it has shown not to affect the ozone, it actually does have a global warming potential. Be kind!

Warranty:

We stand behind our product 100%, and back it with the best warranty in the automotive aftermarket industry! The Killer Chiller has a LIFETIME WARRANTY on the assembly (core and lines), and a two year warranty on the gauge sensor package.

Layout diagram of the new KC system:

A simple to install 100% effective system!

(Note: The HE bypass valves will be optional, and are not required.)
http://www.rwtd.com/images/kc/he_valve_assembly_stock.jpg
http://www.rwtd.com/images/kc/he_valve_assembly_bypassed.jpg

What do you get in the Killer Chiller kit?

100% everything necessary to install the system, some of which includes:

- KC core assembly (includes hoses and connectors to hook everything up)
- Digital temp gauge for KC core temp readings (blue basic LED display; fits in standard pod openings)

Note that this killer chiller is activated when you turn on your AC!

[03snke]

RWTD (runnin with the devil) manufactures these kits FYI.... Kincaid is a dealer?? Originally designed for the 03-04 cobra this design is pretty universal and should work well with our saleens. Well documented and tested - +1 (former phoenix cobra driver, eaton's run much hotter than our saleen blowers, btw)

[Light02atl]

im pretty sure its the other way around. Kincaid manufactures, RWTD is a vendor. As is..DMP, if I am not mistaken.

James @ RWTD is a good guy. I went to his old shop for some tuning work about 2-3 years ago.