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Old 02-15-2015
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Default Q: Saleen S/C to KB or Wipple Unit or Turbo?

Hello guys,

I have a 2005 Saleen with sean hyland 5.4 3v Longblock. recently my supercharge twin screws were broke down, and I have looked every where for a saleen S/C unit and I couldn't find one. Therefore, I decide to find a replacement Like KB Or Whipple. However, in my case do I only need to purchase the unit since my car is already a S/C or do I have to buy the complete kit.

my goal will be 600+ RWHP for Drag/Street use.

I'm also considering a Single turbo setup if

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Contact Brian at B&D Racing. Brian may still have a low milage Saleen Supercharger at his shop in Van Nuys Calif. You

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Are you needing a 5.4 supercharger or 4.6L unit because they are different and not interchangeable. If it is a 5.4 did you happen to have the work done at JDM? I would be interested in hearing more about the swap.
If you move to a Whipple or KB you will need the entire kit since the Saleen SC and manifold are one piece.
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Seethrough,

on the 4.6 vs 5.8 Is the manifold different, the internals (Rotor Pack) or both?
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JDM Engineering may be able to source a "new" 5.4 Series VI supercharger kit.

Also, the original Series VI can be rebuilt. Screws were produced by Lysholm, bearings and gaskets can be sourced.

Speak to JDM Engineering about this company, PSE Superchargers, to rebuild your Series VI.
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The manifold is wider due to the 5.4 block being wider than the 4.6. I have heard that the blower itself is exactly the same between the two models. I have not physically measured them but just by looking they appear the same. The nice part is that the mustang upper plenum bolts right on so it becomes very difficult to tell you have swapped in a larger motor. Swapping to a 5.4 3V will still have exhaust issues since the block is wider and possibly some hood clearance issues but I believe it can be done and in a way that will look bone stock and will break the 650 rwhp ceiling that we seem to have on these supercharges.
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The 5.4 Superchargers are still out there.
http://stores.ebay.com/saleenspeedla...p2047675.l2563
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sean hyland build me a 5.4 short block and I've send them my heads so they can upgrade it to match the bigger displacement however, I'm still using the 2005 saleen 4.6L S/C unit with no problems what so ever.
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sean hyland build me a 5.4 short block and I've send them my heads so they can upgrade it to match the bigger displacement however, I'm still using the 2005 saleen 4.6L S/C unit with no problems what so ever.
Is this something that you already have built and running or something that you are in the middle of building? I am only asking because there is more to this than just swapping some parts. The 5.4 block has a taller deck height so the 4.6 intake, front engine cover and aftermarket 4.6 headers will not work. The 3V heads will bolt right up to the 5.4 block but in order to get a 4.6 manifold to bolt up conversion spacers are needed. Is this the setup that you have? If you are using a Shelby 5.4 block the cooling is different and requires some changes as well.
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sean hyland build me a 5.4 short block and I've send them my heads so they can upgrade it to match the bigger displacement however, I'm still using the 2005 saleen 4.6L S/C unit with no problems what so ever.
We can certainly fix your supercharger. If your not going to want to reuse it, we may be interested in buying it for parts. But I wouldnt just buy a new supercharger without knowing whether or not yours can be fixed.

On the original questions, KB, Whipple or Turbo....a positive displacement supercharger is ideal for drag race conditions where a turbo or centrifugal supercharger are more ideal for canyon running / road racing. So depending on YOUR style of driving will dictate the best style of power adder to outfit with.
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Seethrough,

on the 4.6 vs 5.8 Is the manifold different, the internals (Rotor Pack) or both?
The 4.6 vs. the 5.4 Series VI Superchargers share only the same rotor pack and intercooler. The manifolds are unique to the head configuration.
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Is this something that you already have built and running or something that you are in the middle of building? I am only asking because there is more to this than just swapping some parts. The 5.4 block has a taller deck height so the 4.6 intake, front engine cover and aftermarket 4.6 headers will not work. The 3V heads will bolt right up to the 5.4 block but in order to get a 4.6 manifold to bolt up conversion spacers are needed. Is this the setup that you have? If you are using a Shelby 5.4 block the cooling is different and requires some changes as well.
I never said that it fitted without any modifications, it took the guys who did it a lot of effort & time and they did a good work. all that was done back in 2008 by Adam @No Limit Performance in Indianapolis IN.
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We can certainly fix your supercharger. If your not going to want to reuse it, we may be interested in buying it for parts. But I wouldnt just buy a new supercharger without knowing whether or not yours can be fixed.

On the original questions, KB, Whipple or Turbo....a positive displacement supercharger is ideal for drag race conditions where a turbo or centrifugal supercharger are more ideal for canyon running / road racing. So depending on YOUR style of driving will dictate the best style of power adder to outfit with.
I have contacted several people regarding fixing it. However, the repair costs was a big surprise , its almost as am buying a full new system .
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I never said that it fitted without any modifications, it took the guys who did it a lot of effort & time and they did a good work. all that was done back in 2008 by Adam @No Limit Performance in Indianapolis IN.
If you are looking to replace the saleen SC versus repairing the one that you have you can find one for the S331 Saleen F150 that will bolt right up and won't need to be modified. A KB or Whipple will probably have to be pieced together since the 4.6 and 5.4 manifolds are different and a 3 valve 5.4 was never put in a mustang. Your cheapest route may be a rebuild.
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I have contacted several people regarding fixing it. However, the repair costs was a big surprise , its almost as am buying a full new system .
Well give me a call and we can discuss. I'm interested to hear whats wrong with it. Even the most expensive issue isnt near the cost of a new one.
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I second Dave's recommendation. If you decide to get it rebuilt, I would suggest PSE as well. In addition to JDM several other reputable shops recommend them. PSE will give you a written warranty and also say the supercharger will not need rebuilding again. Other companies don't have nearly that much confidence in their work and won't put anything in writing regarding workmanship, duration, etc. I used another supplier to rebuild my series VI and regret it.
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During your rebuild, What happened to your SC ?
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The supplier promised a bunch of things on the phone and then left me holding the bag for $400 in brand new parts I can't use and can't return.

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During your rebuild, What happened to your SC ?
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Maybe someone on this site can use those parts.
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Turbo FTW! Seriously though, you're going to get a lot more suggestions to go with a supercharger here because most Saleen guys run blowers. I'm one of the few here that run a turbo and I love it. I've always been into turbo cars so it was a no brainer for me when I bought my 3v. Have you driven a turbo car yet?
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Your quest for 650rwhp will be very easy with a turbo vs a blower
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