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2005-2009 Saleen Mustang For all S281, S302, H281 and H302 models based on the Ford S-197 Mustang platform, with the exception of the S302 PJ (see below). Be sure to specify year, model and equipment if asking for help. |
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Q: Saleen S/C to KB or Wipple Unit or Turbo?
Hello guys,
I have a 2005 Saleen with sean hyland 5.4 3v Longblock. recently my supercharge twin screws were broke down, and I have looked every where for a saleen S/C unit and I couldn't find one. Therefore, I decide to find a replacement Like KB Or Whipple. However, in my case do I only need to purchase the unit since my car is already a S/C or do I have to buy the complete kit. my goal will be 600+ RWHP for Drag/Street use. I'm also considering a Single turbo setup if You Comments & Help is appreciated |
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Contact Brian at B&D Racing. Brian may still have a low milage Saleen Supercharger at his shop in Van Nuys Calif. You
Brian@BDRacing.net
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Are you needing a 5.4 supercharger or 4.6L unit because they are different and not interchangeable. If it is a 5.4 did you happen to have the work done at JDM? I would be interested in hearing more about the swap.
If you move to a Whipple or KB you will need the entire kit since the Saleen SC and manifold are one piece.
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2005 Dodge Ram SRT-10 QC 2006 Dodge Ram SRT-10 RC 2006-1296 Ford Mustang Saleen SC281 2004-013 Ford Mustang Salween Extreme-FOR SALE 1999 Ford Mustang Cobra convertible SA-20 clone 2006 Dodge Charger R/T 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8-SOLD 2002 Big Dog Pitbull-SOLD 2005-1343 Ford Mustang Saleen SC281. Barricade replica-SOLD 2011 Ram Express 2006-016 Ford Mustang Saleen Extreme-FOR SALE 2012 Ford F150 FX2 2007-300 Ford Mustang Saleen SC281-FOR SALE 2005 Ram SRT-10 RC CE #43-FOR SALE |
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Seethrough,
on the 4.6 vs 5.8 Is the manifold different, the internals (Rotor Pack) or both?
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JDM Engineering may be able to source a "new" 5.4 Series VI supercharger kit.
Also, the original Series VI can be rebuilt. Screws were produced by Lysholm, bearings and gaskets can be sourced. Speak to JDM Engineering about this company, PSE Superchargers, to rebuild your Series VI. |
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The manifold is wider due to the 5.4 block being wider than the 4.6. I have heard that the blower itself is exactly the same between the two models. I have not physically measured them but just by looking they appear the same. The nice part is that the mustang upper plenum bolts right on so it becomes very difficult to tell you have swapped in a larger motor. Swapping to a 5.4 3V will still have exhaust issues since the block is wider and possibly some hood clearance issues but I believe it can be done and in a way that will look bone stock and will break the 650 rwhp ceiling that we seem to have on these supercharges.
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2005 Dodge Ram SRT-10 QC 2006 Dodge Ram SRT-10 RC 2006-1296 Ford Mustang Saleen SC281 2004-013 Ford Mustang Salween Extreme-FOR SALE 1999 Ford Mustang Cobra convertible SA-20 clone 2006 Dodge Charger R/T 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8-SOLD 2002 Big Dog Pitbull-SOLD 2005-1343 Ford Mustang Saleen SC281. Barricade replica-SOLD 2011 Ram Express 2006-016 Ford Mustang Saleen Extreme-FOR SALE 2012 Ford F150 FX2 2007-300 Ford Mustang Saleen SC281-FOR SALE 2005 Ram SRT-10 RC CE #43-FOR SALE |
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The 5.4 Superchargers are still out there.
http://stores.ebay.com/saleenspeedla...p2047675.l2563 |
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sean hyland build me a 5.4 short block and I've send them my heads so they can upgrade it to match the bigger displacement however, I'm still using the 2005 saleen 4.6L S/C unit with no problems what so ever.
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Is this something that you already have built and running or something that you are in the middle of building? I am only asking because there is more to this than just swapping some parts. The 5.4 block has a taller deck height so the 4.6 intake, front engine cover and aftermarket 4.6 headers will not work. The 3V heads will bolt right up to the 5.4 block but in order to get a 4.6 manifold to bolt up conversion spacers are needed. Is this the setup that you have? If you are using a Shelby 5.4 block the cooling is different and requires some changes as well.
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2005 Dodge Ram SRT-10 QC 2006 Dodge Ram SRT-10 RC 2006-1296 Ford Mustang Saleen SC281 2004-013 Ford Mustang Salween Extreme-FOR SALE 1999 Ford Mustang Cobra convertible SA-20 clone 2006 Dodge Charger R/T 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8-SOLD 2002 Big Dog Pitbull-SOLD 2005-1343 Ford Mustang Saleen SC281. Barricade replica-SOLD 2011 Ram Express 2006-016 Ford Mustang Saleen Extreme-FOR SALE 2012 Ford F150 FX2 2007-300 Ford Mustang Saleen SC281-FOR SALE 2005 Ram SRT-10 RC CE #43-FOR SALE |
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On the original questions, KB, Whipple or Turbo....a positive displacement supercharger is ideal for drag race conditions where a turbo or centrifugal supercharger are more ideal for canyon running / road racing. So depending on YOUR style of driving will dictate the best style of power adder to outfit with.
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The 4.6 vs. the 5.4 Series VI Superchargers share only the same rotor pack and intercooler. The manifolds are unique to the head configuration.
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Jason | 281 Motorsports NO PM'S - PLEASE CALL | 714-575-1505 1996 Cobra Vortech SC / Track prepped 2015 Coyote Powered F-150 Check out our facility promo video here: http://bit.ly/1yHNfxM Email: 281motorsports@gmail.com Web: www.ProSpeedMustang.com Facebook: www.facebook.com/mustangperformance Youtube: http://bit.ly/1zOxanf "Doing the job right...is the ONLY option we offer!" |
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If you are looking to replace the saleen SC versus repairing the one that you have you can find one for the S331 Saleen F150 that will bolt right up and won't need to be modified. A KB or Whipple will probably have to be pieced together since the 4.6 and 5.4 manifolds are different and a 3 valve 5.4 was never put in a mustang. Your cheapest route may be a rebuild.
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2005 Dodge Ram SRT-10 QC 2006 Dodge Ram SRT-10 RC 2006-1296 Ford Mustang Saleen SC281 2004-013 Ford Mustang Salween Extreme-FOR SALE 1999 Ford Mustang Cobra convertible SA-20 clone 2006 Dodge Charger R/T 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8-SOLD 2002 Big Dog Pitbull-SOLD 2005-1343 Ford Mustang Saleen SC281. Barricade replica-SOLD 2011 Ram Express 2006-016 Ford Mustang Saleen Extreme-FOR SALE 2012 Ford F150 FX2 2007-300 Ford Mustang Saleen SC281-FOR SALE 2005 Ram SRT-10 RC CE #43-FOR SALE |
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Well give me a call and we can discuss. I'm interested to hear whats wrong with it. Even the most expensive issue isnt near the cost of a new one.
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Jason | 281 Motorsports NO PM'S - PLEASE CALL | 714-575-1505 1996 Cobra Vortech SC / Track prepped 2015 Coyote Powered F-150 Check out our facility promo video here: http://bit.ly/1yHNfxM Email: 281motorsports@gmail.com Web: www.ProSpeedMustang.com Facebook: www.facebook.com/mustangperformance Youtube: http://bit.ly/1zOxanf "Doing the job right...is the ONLY option we offer!" |
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I second Dave's recommendation. If you decide to get it rebuilt, I would suggest PSE as well. In addition to JDM several other reputable shops recommend them. PSE will give you a written warranty and also say the supercharger will not need rebuilding again. Other companies don't have nearly that much confidence in their work and won't put anything in writing regarding workmanship, duration, etc. I used another supplier to rebuild my series VI and regret it.
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During your rebuild, What happened to your SC ?
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The supplier promised a bunch of things on the phone and then left me holding the bag for $400 in brand new parts I can't use and can't return.
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Maybe someone on this site can use those parts.
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Turbo FTW! Seriously though, you're going to get a lot more suggestions to go with a supercharger here because most Saleen guys run blowers. I'm one of the few here that run a turbo and I love it. I've always been into turbo cars so it was a no brainer for me when I bought my 3v. Have you driven a turbo car yet?
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Your quest for 650rwhp will be very easy with a turbo vs a blower
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