Q: Max RWHP with a Series VI Supercharger?

[juk08gt]

Anyone have a clue on what these blowers max out at. I am working on an engine rebuild to 1000rwhp but my shop says that we will not be able to crank the blower up that high. Currently I am running a 3.6" pulley and running 8.3lbs of max boost and I'm at 520rwhp. This is of course with other mods with the exception of any other forced induction or NOS.

I have seen 600rwhp but not more unless you add turbos or nitrous on top.

Thanks for the comments in advance.

[Nightstalker]

Spun mine @17psi, above that I dunno.

I would assume to reach your desired goal, you'd probably have to find other power adders.

[juk08gt]

whats your adders and rwhp?

[06281E]

Originally Posted by juk08gt

whats your adders and rwhp?

So you are running a stock bottom end 4.6L with a Saleen S/C pushing 8.3psi and you are making 520whp? I am just wondering the mods cause the numbers don't make sense to me with all of the other numbers i have seen produced even by Extremes running 12psi on the Saleen S/C..

[juk08gt]

pretty much everything you can do to the system that will enhance airflow, spark and fuel while keeping it cool and I do mean everything. The biggest gain after the supercharger was with the cams and the custom tune.. And yes this is why I am asking for what the max hp is because i have heard that they do not typically perform so well.

[Trevor_Frantz]

What is your Engine specs? (4.6L-5.0L) The max you can spin a saleen supercharger is 13500 rpm.

[juk08gt]

4.6L and top engine RPM is 6900 from comp cam stage II blower cams. I have not done the calculations on Blower RPM. But I am not here to talk about my setup, although it is nice to have interest. I really want to know where this blower starts to really overheat the charge temp and can't provide more boost. I have 13500 rpm for max spin but that does not equate directly to rwhp.

[06-0259SC]

Good luck getting 1000 RWHP out of that motor.

[juk08gt]

Different block / pistons / rods / crank.....etc.. Again i am not looking to explain my car or how I am going to accomplish my HP goals. I am looking for some information on how much horse power and torque i can get out of the blower.....
I'm beginning to think that nobody knows.....

[Trevor_Frantz]

You can go to lysholm website and look at a flow map of a 2300 AX. The Saleen supercharger wont be enough to get your power level you want.

[Char259]

like stated 17psi is as far as you can push the saleen blowers. After that they lose efficiency and build up major heat. 17psi will get you well into the high 600's on a built motor

[06281E]

Originally Posted by juk08gt

Different block / pistons / rods / crank.....etc.. Again i am not looking to explain my car or how I am going to accomplish my HP goals. I am looking for some information on how much horse power and torque i can get out of the blower.....
I'm beginning to think that nobody knows.....

People know about the saleen blowers and now 2 people have told you. What we do not know is how you are the first person around to make 520whp out of a stock block with a saleen supercharger making 8.3psi.. It has never happened far as i know and does not add up so people are asking questions and wondering.. I personally think the dyno you are on is putting out numbers 10% higher than normal, or your car is running lean as all hell and is pretty much a ticking time bomb.. I'm beginning to think you're a bit noobish when i comes to modding..

[juk08gt]

not running lean. I'm sure that the guy with 17lbs of boost is making more to the wheel than I am, and as he has stated that's well into the 600s. As far as being noobish at modding NOT. Everything has been dyno'd and yes I am over the edge for the internals. I just am lucky right now. If I get some bad gas, the engine build gets a fast track. If you are using the stock tune from Saleen it is very conservative because they expect people to modify things and not take it to a tuner. Give it to the right tuner and you will get a hell of a lot more out of the car than stock. Do not give it to some kid who thinks that he is a tuner, take it to someone who races and builds mustangs.

[Nightstalker]

17psi with a fully forged shortblock, Stage 2 Ported Heads, Stage 2 Cams, adequate fuel supply & Ported Series VI netted me 632/611 on an aggressive tune.

[juk08gt]

Those are good rwhp numbers. You have a very similar setup except that my boost is not nearly that much. But working the numbers back that is what I expected. Thanks
for the help.

06281E Obviously you have issues with numbers. you were the only one to try and call me out on the numbers and that makes only 1 person not 2. Maybe you got a weak one.

[06281E]

Originally Posted by juk08gt

Those are good rwhp numbers. You have a very similar setup except that my boost is not nearly that much. But working the numbers back that is what I expected. Thanks
for the help.

06281E Obviously you have issues with numbers. you were the only one to try and call me out on the numbers and that makes only 1 person not 2. Maybe you got a weak one.

I am the only person to call you out because no one else felt like wasting their time, and you shouldn't take it so personal that someone on a car forum was wondering about your car... 2 people had to tell you the capacity of the blower for it to sink in I was saying, and the only obvious issue my weak car has with numbers is 540wtq from 2600rpm...

[juk08gt]

Originally Posted by 06281E

I am the only person to call you out because no one else felt like wasting their time, and you shouldn't take it so personal that someone on a car forum was wondering about your car... 2 people had to tell you the capacity of the blower for it to sink in I was saying, and the only obvious issue my weak car has with numbers is 540wtq from 2600rpm...

I never take it personal. just got better things to do than waste time with people who think they are smart but in reality.... 540? Must be using a dyno that is 20% higher that normal?

[06281E]

Originally Posted by juk08gt

I never take it personal. just got better things to do than waste time with people who think they are smart but in reality.... 540? Must be using a dyno that is 20% higher that normal?

Yeah that or a built motor pushing more boost than you.. Noob.

[juk08gt]

Guess you can't figure out how to help people on a forum that you have to resort to name calling. Wow have not seen that since high school.....how original? maybe when you grow up daddy will let you drive his car.

[Dave]

Everyone, be fair and play nice.

Originally Posted by Trevor_Frantz

You can go to lysholm website and look at a flow map of a 2300 AX. The Saleen supercharger wont be enough to get your power level you want.

Attached are the documents Trevor speaks of for the Lysholm 2300. Thanks for the heads-up!

For the power hungry and curious, there are differences between the Saleen Series VI and the Saleen 6.5. The Saleen Inc produced VI used a Lysholm patent twin-screw design, while the MJA/SPV produced 6.5 is a redesign with a few new castings and method for compressing air.

Not implying one is better than the other, just different.

[1MEANSALEEN]

I'm making over 600 rwhp with my Saleen S/C'd car. Mods are 60lb injectors, GT500 Pumps, Aluminator shortblock, Ford ported heads, Hot Rod cams, Saleen blower with lid ported, 62mm L&M throttle body.. 8 rib GI JOE kit, 2.8 upper, 18% IW lower, Thumper Tensioner/ Thumper Extension arm, American Racing Long tubes, 16 psi Boost.

[06281E]

Originally Posted by 1MEANSALEEN

I'm making over 600 rwhp with my Saleen S/C'd car. Mods are 60lb injectors, GT500 Pumps, Aluminator shortblock, Ford ported heads, Hot Rod cams, Saleen blower with lid ported, 62mm L&M throttle body.. 8 rib GI JOE kit, 2.8 upper, 18% IW lower, Thumper Tensioner/ Thumper Extension arm, American Racing Long tubes, 16 psi Boost.

I believe that! I would assume you are making 600 or more at the wheels with a fully built block and all other supporting mods! This Juk guy was saying he makes 520whp on a stock 4.6 with 8.3psi.. Just doesn't make any sense IMO..

For reference i made 515whp and 535wtq on 13psi with a restrictive intake and a heat soaked motor.. I am waiting for my next dyno with the ported lid, TB, and full intake. Should be good for right around 550whp and 15psi.

[1MEANSALEEN]

Originally Posted by 06281E

I believe that! I would assume you are making 600 or more at the wheels with a fully built block and all other supporting mods! This Juk guy was saying he makes 520whp on a stock 4.6 with 8.3psi.. Just doesn't make any sense IMO..

For reference i made 515whp and 535wtq on 13psi with a restrictive intake and a heat soaked motor.. I am waiting for my next dyno with the ported lid, TB, and full intake. Should be good for right around 550whp and 15psi.

Yeah i agree with you. I just don't see 8.3psi making 520rwhp, I mean my Saleen made 485rwhp with a 3.2 pulley on JDMs dyno and the boost peaked to 14 psi somehow! Unless he has crazy head work and a custom cam i don't see that happening lol I'm not one to believe something unless i see it or hear it for myself, but im not gonna hate. It's not a racecar, at least mine isn't its nice to have over 700hp in a street car

[Jon]

Maybe the ppl he took it to gave him FLYWHEEL HP... Im on a 3.4 with only 15* timing... and 446 RWHP (STD Correction) is 524 flywheel factoring 15% drivetrain loss... Only way i see a 3.6 making 520 is FLYWHEEL even with a cam ... JMO

[Meikol02]

Okay, Juke the answer to the question you asked is only explained as the max RPM of the blower. There are too many variables to give you the max hosepower or even the boost (changes with headers/exhaust). It is the RPM limit that you need to worry about as a couple guys tried to tell you earlier. IIRC Trevor assembles the Blowers for Saleen so I would trust his numbers as the appropriate limit for long life of the blower.

I recently read a thread started by an S197 owner on another site that was having a build done at Brenspeed that asked this same question. He stated the max RPM was 17500 according to Brenspeed. His dyno sheets seem to prove that out as with his 18% overdrive crank and 2.8 pulley combination his power peaked at and began to drop off at just over 6000 engine RPM with his built 302 motor and mods. That engine speed equates to around 17000 blower rpm where heat and cavitation begin to rob power.

That guy made just under 600 RWHP. If you are looking for 1000 RWHP, I would look elsewhere.

[tbrock]

Why then can someone with a whipple get more HP? Isn't that a 2300 sc'r as well?

[Meikol02]

There are bigger blowers, the guys with the big numbers are using things like the Mammoth 2.8 (2800). The displacement of the blower, or how much air it can push at any given time is the big deal. The bearing and internal design is another that limits the throughput of what is really just another air pump on top of the air pump that is the engine.

[mosaleen]

Just to let you know my friend that has a 07 Saleen Linstrom built motor max ported every where, lid ported (even the bolt tube gone) cams and other tricks I dont know, plus snow injection made 788 whp 710 wtq and thats the most I have heard of on the Saleen Series VI blower. 2.75 upper S/C pulley 18% cranck pulley.

Has Afco heatexchanger with fans, hoses to trunk where a water tank and another electric water pump is in the spare tire compartment. He even has it so you can switch off valves in engine compartment to bypass if wanted very cool.

[tbrock]

Thanks just curious.

["06SALEEN"]

Originally Posted by 06281E

I believe that! I would assume you are making 600 or more at the wheels with a fully built block and all other supporting mods! This Juk guy was saying he makes 520whp on a stock 4.6 with 8.3psi.. Just doesn't make any sense IMO..

For reference i made 515whp and 535wtq on 13psi with a restrictive intake and a heat soaked motor.. I am waiting for my next dyno with the ported lid, TB, and full intake. Should be good for right around 550whp and 15psi.

Them are pretty good numbers I have the stock 4.6 looking at blocks as we speak but anyways I'm running 12psi hot rod cams,kooks headers, custom exhaust, boosta pump, 373 gears, C/L cold air intake,60lb injectors,MGW short throw, 509 rwhp and 507 rwtq, how do u like that mcleod clutch?

[06281E]

Originally Posted by "06SALEEN"

Them are pretty good numbers I have the stock 4.6 looking at blocks as we speak but anyways I'm running 12psi hot rod cams,kooks headers, custom exhaust, boosta pump, 373 gears, C/L cold air intake,60lb injectors,MGW short throw, 509 rwhp and 507 rwtq, how do u like that mcleod clutch?

Very nice numbers! I need to get that C&L 4" intake tube soon for when i dyno with the new intake, ported lid, and TB.. I know with the torque I'm making at 535wtq the car is good for 540whp on a nice cool day.. The McLeod clutch is the most expensive clutch i have ever bought but i would never use anything again as long as it holds up. The pedal feel is like butter and it holds over 1000hp, can't beat that. The centerforce i had in there before was pretty bad on the pedal pressure and only lasted 7k miles but cost half as much as the McLeod at around $1300 or so..

[UBBSDave]

...Alright, guys! Yeah, I'm a Noob": So What! OK...My Saleen S281 Extreme, Ultimate Bad Boy edition i/Was rated at 600HP from saleen. apparently, Mr. Saleen , Himself, Oversaw these 9 cars, or so, Did not have much Warranty w/ the 600 hp pkg. I recently had Paul's High Performance , in Jackson, MI., give car a 'regular (91?-93 octane?) tune. Actuall results were 600 hp: 507 rwhp! Only deviation from regular 4.6 L Extremes , was more Air tube-fuel? The 4.6L Ex's came w/ Manl(e)Y Pistons and stock forged internals. I think w/ more aggressive(?) Tune, and Better cooling Pkg., RWHP could go to 600 rwhp. I don't know! Paul's IS THE EXPERT! (He has World's Fastest 6 CYL. "stang for sale now!) Any opinions? THNX!, Dave B.

[tbrock]

I am currently running a C&L racer intake tube with the FRP 90MAF, would I see any HP increase by switching to the Saleen CAI?

[juk08gt]

I have the C&L and do not have air flow issues........

[06281E]

Originally Posted by tbrock

I am currently running a C&L racer intake tube with the FRP 90MAF, would I see any HP increase by switching to the Saleen CAI?

I don't think you will see any WHP gains going from a 90mm MAF to a 95mm MAF.. If anything the 6" inlet on the Saleen CAI will help over the 4" inlet i think you are using on the FRPP intake.. I recently switched to a 100mm MAF housing with a 6" bell housing for a 6" inlet filter, now i just need the 4" C&L racer inlet tube, port the S/C lid, and the dual 62mm throttle body, a dyno tune and i should have no more air flow issues and a good amount of power gains over the restrictive setup i was using..

[ultamax]

Could swear a couple pro drag racers talked about 18-20psi on these blowers in fall '09. I'm thinking they said beyond 21psi one of 'em changed to E-force blower. So it's not the setup to hit 1,000whp without nitrous.

[s281eguy]

Originally Posted by juk08gt

Those are good rwhp numbers. You have a very similar setup except that my boost is not nearly that much. But working the numbers back that is what I expected. Thanks
for the help.

06281E Obviously you have issues with numbers. you were the only one to try and call me out on the numbers and that makes only 1 person not 2. Maybe you got a weak one.

I'll call you out. 520 sounds like either crank hp or broken dyno and I'll promise you those numbers are not accurate running a 3.6 pulley. I have a 2.95 pulley @ 14.5 psi and I make 515 so it sounds to me like everyone on here knows what they're talking about, except you. Sorry guy! I suggest a second opinion

[mosaleen]

Juk, ya I would have to call you on that one also, 520 I thought it was fly wheel hp. not rwhp... Mine with a 3.20 S/C and Mosaleen system is making 495 rwhp but its on a mustang dyno, dyno jets dynos read 60 to 70 hp higher. Im making 12 1/2 lbs boost. No cams but most of everything else. I would have to see those dyno sheets with the name of the shop to believe that one, with a 3.60 S/C pulley and 8.3 lbs boost. It would have to be a genius book world record.

[06281E]

Originally Posted by juk08gt

Those are good rwhp numbers. You have a very similar setup except that my boost is not nearly that much. But working the numbers back that is what I expected. Thanks
for the help.

06281E Obviously you have issues with numbers. you were the only one to try and call me out on the numbers and that makes only 1 person not 2. Maybe you got a weak one.

Clearly..

[dmhines]

My Supershaker is right at 8 PSI and put down 430WHP and 412TQ with JDM tune with 12:1 AFR. Pretty sweet if you topped that by 100HP.

[UBBSDave]

Hey All!, I've forgotten If this debate is over the S/C only?;;OR...extremes as well?

My 2007 S281 Extreme, Ultimate Bad Boy, came from SALEEN w/ 600hp... Approx. 510 Real WHP. This is the 4.6L S/C Extreme (an increase of 50hp , or so... No Warranty!).

I think better Throttle Body #s as well (Better=More?) A few other SALEEN MODS per Steve SALEEN and Tim-Maverick-Porter!

I'm just messin' with you guys...I can't honestly remember Max RWHP for Series VI or ALL Extremes as well!

[SCMcQueen]

One of these days I will have Lidio or Walsh put my modified H281 to H302SC on the dyno for a true reading...JDM tuned it at the Saleen Troy facility 2/2008 when the mods were complete..has all the Saleen mods at the time....when I do I will post the results...unless I am embarrassed!

[UBBSDave]

Originally Posted by SCMcQueen

One of these days I will have Lidio or Walsh put my modified H281 to H302SC on the dyno for a true reading...JDM tuned it at the Saleen Troy facility 2/2008 when the mods were complete..has all the Saleen mods at the time....when I do I will post the results...unless I am embarrassed!

Sounds like a plan!

[s281eguy]

Originally Posted by SCMcQueen

One of these days I will have Lidio or Walsh put my modified H281 to H302SC on the dyno for a true reading...JDM tuned it at the Saleen Troy facility 2/2008 when the mods were complete..has all the Saleen mods at the time....when I do I will post the results...unless I am embarrassed!

Walsh all the way! Let me now when that meet is, u got my number still I think.

[redruder]

After a certain point the hp is just a number, what can you plant? My Extreme is an exercise in throttle control or I just blow the tires off.

[06281E]

Originally Posted by redruder

After a certain point the hp is just a number, what can you plant? My Extreme is an exercise in throttle control or I just blow the tires off.

I think any car on the street with over 600whp is a waste, i can control 600whp, I am making around 540 or so now to the tires and with the watts link rear, RXT clutch, and Nitto 315s it catches pretty good, i could use another 70whp to keep up with the times! lol

[BB 2007 S281E]

Look at JDM Engineering videos 8-19-10 2007 Extreme 620RWHP on the dyno

[juk08gt]

just came accross this and you can verify with ramsay's performance in lutz florida
haven't changed much in the last while... going for a built block now. maybe you should listen and learn vs trashing people. And ya it is only 516 rwhp opps i forgot about the 4rwhp? When you do not understand it is when it is time to ask more questions ...... and before you say...... it call them. I have been tracking the car for the last year and am in for upgrades now.

[juk08gt]

forgot to add where is your dyno sheet?