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Dave 03-14-2014 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by gliioct14 (Post 118358)
I purchased the 2011-3 (storm trooper) waiting for winter to end and I will upload newer photos. This car was raided for parts for there sema car . The matte black has the entire interior , supercharger - strut tower brace. Saying that it has the only custom interior "Katskins Seats " with really cool micro design. So I would like to try and get back that supercharger and strut brace. Let em know if anyone has info on those parts.

I believe there may be a current owner of a 2010-12 Michigan car with a spare interior. The owner I am thinking of might be a fella' with the white 2012 coupe currently on eBay. Or, I recall someone looking to store a spare interior. Not sure if they were able to purchase these items from Michigan.

I believe I can recall seeing photos of the white 2011 convertible with a PowerTech / Saleen Series VII supercharged. This car was liquidated to a dealer running a Ford Racing unit. I believe the matte black SEMA car also ran a Ford Racing supercharger.

There is a chance that the Ford Racing supercharger and the Chicane/ Saleen strut brace interfere. Meaning you will have to choose one or the other.

gliioct14 03-14-2014 09:38 AM

Dave you are indeed correct, they removed the strut tower brace to make way for the supercharger and when they eventually removed it to put it on the sema car they did not put the strut tower brace back in. I also learned the 21century performance purchased all the reaming braces from the chicane estate sale. I have a call into them and I am hoping to still find that part. If you are near or have a better contact I would appreciate your efforts.

gliioct14 03-14-2014 09:42 AM

I also have queried SALEEN on Authenticating my vehicle and have not heard word one back. I am hoping its due to the massive workload and not that my car is a Troy based car. Do you have any insight on approximately how long it takes to get a call back from SALEEN. Just curious.

Dave 03-14-2014 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gliioct14 (Post 118432)
I also have queried SALEEN on Authenticating my vehicle and have not heard word one back. I am hoping its due to the massive workload and not that my car is a Troy based car. Do you have any insight on approximately how long it takes to get a call back from SALEEN. Just curious.

Saleen Automotive Inc in Corona CA does not have production records for the 2010-12 vehicles produced in Michigan.

They will run your VIN and serial number against the Corona cars they produced in 2011 and will come back as "not a Saleen."

gliioct14 03-14-2014 09:59 AM

I am not sure how that is possible it is stamped SALEEN all over it - what I am to believe from this ?

Dave 03-14-2014 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gliioct14 (Post 118437)
I am not sure how that is possible it is stamped SALEEN all over it - what I am to believe from this ?

This disclaimer appeared on the forum shorty after the 2012 announcement of Steve Saleen reclaiming the Saleen brand.
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Michigan-built cars from 2010-2012 with the Saleen name are not recognized as authentic Saleen vehicles by Saleen Automotive in California.
Documentation may exist in Michigan, with the family of companies that were under Revstone, but Saleen Automotive will not be able to authenticate, give color, option, body style figures since they do not have production records for these vehicles.

gliioct14 03-14-2014 10:34 AM

I don't have words that would be helpful , other then I own a business and if I treated my customers this way I would not be in business for very long. "Karma" is the word that comes to mind. very disappointed.

Dave 03-14-2014 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by gliioct14 (Post 118441)
I don't have words that would be helpful , other then I own a business and if I treated my customers this way I would not be in business for very long. "Karma" is the word that comes to mind. very disappointed.

The company that produced 2010-12 Michigan cars is out-of-business.

You are asking Saleen Automotive to authenticate a vehicle they do not have records to. Even if they produced LOAs for Michigan vehicles without having an inventory list, they would include no production information and most likely need an explanation or backgrounder as to the history of these vehicles.

gliioct14 03-14-2014 11:08 AM

Dave you do a fantastic job I thank you for all your efforts!! The answer is yes - it is entirely possible to put this together based on owners and there passions for these vehicles. The customer is always right and I don't now the exact numbers of vehicles but based on what I know a list wouldn't that that hard to come up with. I believe there is something else going on here. All I know is that I have a SALEEN and if it looks like a duck walks like a duck and quacks like a duck its a duck. Man up and do what's right to the owners of these vehicles.

Dave 03-14-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by gliioct14 (Post 118448)
The answer is yes - it is entirely possible to put this together based on owners and there passions for these vehicles.

On the enthusist side, yes. At this point, I believe I am missing details on fourteen 2010-12 Michigan cars. I do not believe I am missing details for more than 20 units.

Records or an account of 2010-2012 Michigan cars appear to exist. In Michigan. Unless the second-hand info I attain from owners of these vehicles are receiving production info from the memories of former MJA/Revstone employees.

The Saleen Inc inventory and vehicle database remains in Michigan. When Saleen Automotive produces a current LOA from California, the material comes from historic physical documentation.

gliioct14 03-14-2014 11:28 AM

Right on !!! lets start a movement to recognize these vehicles. I am sure the owners would applaud this and feel part of the community to which they are justifiable apart of. Count me in - Can we query all owners for the appropriate information needed and who would be willing to provide all necessary documents to have these vehicles officially recognized and have Letters of Authenticity published.

sidvicious 03-15-2014 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gliioct14 (Post 118454)
Right on !!! lets start a movement to recognize these vehicles. I am sure the owners would applaud this and feel part of the community to which they are justifiable apart of. Count me in - Can we query all owners for the appropriate information needed and who would be willing to provide all necessary documents to have these vehicles officially recognized and have Letters of Authenticity published.

IMO I don't care if it is recognized or not; you have one of the coolest looking Saleens EVER! Stormtrooper is the perfect nickname for it. The cool interior is just icing on the cake. I would proud as all get out to own that car. Congrats.

gliioct14 03-16-2014 08:04 AM

thanks for the kind words and I do agree it is awesome!! the saleen community recognizes it and that should be good enough!! enjoy the rides!!

Jarred 06-13-2014 01:10 PM

The company that produced the 2010-2012 cars in Michigan is not out of business. In fact, it's the only company that has had parts available for the past year and a half. This forum tries real hard to change reality and paint a pretty picture.

Jarred 06-16-2014 08:19 AM

Hey look at that, my comment was deleted. Thanks Dave. Guess you like to keep it to your script. I'll remember that next time you call me.

gliioct14 06-16-2014 08:39 AM

Hey jarred I got your back !!! - The moderators deliver nothing they promise you and Dave R are real people delivering with real products with almost instant response. All should take note that SALEEN as it exist know are doomed to travel the exact path that caused them to loose the name in the first place. I am extremely frustrated by SALEEN as it exist and am so proud to have a TROY/Michigan built car that is represented by real car people that understand customer service!!

Jarred 06-16-2014 08:47 AM

Thank you sir. All we want to do is get parts out to you, and all other owners that deserve parts for the cars they love. Dave knows this, he has bought from me personally. Although this is becoming increasingly harder to do... despite our best efforts...

gliioct14 06-16-2014 08:55 AM

Karma is a *&^*& - a spoken or typed word that it not offensive being deleted is *&^*&^. You really have to question at this point the integrity of this forum and the people deleting posts especially if they are stating factual information. Keep up the good work!!! I think I have said this before but it bears repeating "Bad news travels quicker then Good news and Customer service is only as good as how you treated your last customer" I was treated like a rented mule!!

Dave 06-16-2014 09:40 AM

I have not deleted any posts in this thread. We have three admins on this forum.

Yes, I am a customer. I never hid this.

gliioct14 06-16-2014 09:43 AM

Jarred please repost I am curious what you have to say- thx

Dave 06-16-2014 09:46 AM

New topic:

There was an agreement between Saleen Automotive and the entity in MI selling the inventory of Saleen Inc and MJA/Revstone equipment.

Saleen Automotive believes there were breaches in this agreement as well as assets not released. These topics have little to do with an enthusiasts organization.

Any current dispute between Saleen Automotive and what was Revstone have little to do with our forum.

Jarred 06-16-2014 10:00 AM

Thank you for the clarification. Saleen of Michigan is not out of business as you previously stated.

gliioct14 06-16-2014 10:06 AM

I strongly disagree that this has nothing to do with this forum - I own a 2011 Saleen I want a Letter of Authenticity I don't care who currently owns the company, all I know is that the guys in Michigan take my calls handles my request fulfills my orders and is generally more knowledgeable of the products. There is a systemic problem with California Saleen that I find extremely frustrating as a consumer I know you strongly defend them as I do the same with the guys in Michigan. When they take your call I am sure it is vastly different then when I call.

SyberSaint 06-16-2014 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 122537)
I have not deleted any posts in this thread. We have three admins on this forum.

Yes, I am a customer. I never hid this.

YOU may not have deleted a post but some moderator on this forum did. There was nothing inappropriate about what Jarred posted on June 13th. Just because someone disagrees with what is stated in a post does not mean that it has to be deleted. Facts are facts regardless..

Jim D. 06-16-2014 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gliioct14 (Post 122541)
I strongly disagree that this has nothing to do with this forum - I own a 2011 Saleen I want a Letter of Authenticity I don't care who currently owns the company, all I know is that Michigan based Saleen takes my calls handles my request fulfills my orders and is generally more knowledgeable of the products. There is a systemic problem with California Saleen that I find extremely frustrating as a consumer I know you strongly defend them as I do the same with Michigan based Saleen. When they take your call I am sure it is vastly different then when I call.


If you own a 2011 "Saleen Mustang," you own what might be called an orphaned car.

Saleen in California knows nothing about your car; they did not build it and they have no records on it. They also have pretty much no parts for it.

And since you want a letter of authenticity, they can't help you, no matter how much you complain.

Unfortunately you bought a car built by a company that did not have a legal right to use the Saleen brand.

Michigan is probably able to return your calls since they have parts for your orphaned car; California does not.

If you need something from Saleen in California that you think they have, send me an email with what you need and I'll find out why they're not getting back to you.

Jim D. 06-16-2014 12:20 PM

I deleted some posts that were taking the conversation off-topic.

I have restored them.

Keep post cool and on-topic please.

SyberSaint 06-16-2014 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim D. (Post 122546)
If you own a 2011 "Saleen Mustang," you own what might be called an orphaned car.

Saleen in California knows nothing about your car; they did not build it and they have no records on it. They also have pretty much no parts for it.

And since you want a letter of authenticity, they can't help you, no matter how much you complain.

Unfortunately you bought a car built by a company that did not have a legal right to use the Saleen brand.

Michigan is probably able to return your calls since they have parts for your orphaned car; California does not.

If you need something from Saleen in California that you think they have, send me an email with what you need and I'll find out why they're not getting back to you.

Revstone/SPV are saying that we can not even get a LOA from them, because they are not allowed to. That Saleen INC. has locked down all sales ect. of anything having to do with the Saleen name. As long as the LOA states that the cars are Revstone/SPV cars from Troy Michigan, I do not see a problem or harm to anyone in letting them at least produce LOAs. Just sayin. They are no longer a "THREAT" to the Saleen brand.

Dale

Dale

OneQwkStang 06-16-2014 12:30 PM

What going on here?

SyberSaint 06-16-2014 12:34 PM

And, by the way, in the end, the consumer should not have to pay for the legal battles that may exist between the two companies. At the time, we bought Saleen brand products in good faith regardless of the legalities involved. I feel that for those purchasers have been left out. I agree that it was sad that all the legal issues had to go down that way. However, there still should be some level of support provided if no other reason in that it carries the Saleen brand name.

Dale

SyberSaint 06-16-2014 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OneQwkStang (Post 122549)
What going on here?

We are just having a friendly discussion. No flames..

Werecow 06-16-2014 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SyberSaint (Post 122548)
Revstone/SPV are saying that we can not even get a LOA from them, because they are not allowed to. That Saleen INC. has locked down all sales ect. of anything having to do with the Saleen name. As long as the LOA states that the cars are Revstone/SPV cars from Troy Michigan, I do not see a problem or harm to anyone in letting them at least produce LOAs. Just sayin. They are no longer a "THREAT" to the Saleen brand.

Dale

Dale

I can see how Revstone/SPV could want to play it safe and not issue LOA's. It sucks, but one can understand why. Can you imagine trying to explain to someone why your car has "Saleen" all over it, but the LOA doesn't? It is a mess, but that is the way it is and I don't see no amount of complaining changing that. I think it is awesome that Dave and Jim have put a place on this forum for those owning these cars even though they don't have a structure to help support them.

Jim D. 06-16-2014 05:21 PM

The challenge comes into play when people bought an MJ/Revstone car during the time that Steve Saleen had a lawsuit filed against them -- anyone knowingly doing so, should have known better to not get mixed up in that, and probably should have passed, unless they simply wanted what the car offered.

Anyone unkowingly purchasing a car during that time, thinking they were purchasing a genuine "Steve Saleen Saleen" is an unfortunate victim.

Time may heal all this... but as of now it is what it is.

Anyone crying for an LOA because they want to sell their MJ/Revstone car should perhaps think twice about selling their car... not an ideal situation.

Back to the topic... Dave is trying to collect information on these cars, so please let's get back to that.

SyberSaint 06-16-2014 10:06 PM

Ok Jim,

I understand, but that still does not help with the frustration.

Syber

tfalk 06-17-2014 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim D. (Post 122560)
unless they simply wanted what the car offered.

That's pretty much why I bought mine. That and the fact that, no offense to anyone who owns an SMS, I think the MJA/Revstone car looks better than the SMS. I was also 'hoping' that Steve would consider at least *recognizing* these cars. I would not expect him to warranty them or make parts for them.

If you take a step back for a minute, weren't these cars made by the same people and company that had made his cars up until he and the former company separated approx 2009?

Dave 06-17-2014 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tfalk (Post 122592)
If you take a step back for a minute, weren't these cars made by the same people and company that had made his cars up until he and the former company separated approx 2009?

The year 2007 saw the departures of Phil Frank (designer), Steve Saleen (founder), Billy Tally (engineering), John Spruill (engineering). Saleen, Inc merged with ASC during the spring/summer of 2007. Saleen executive positions were filled by ASC personnel with the remainder of Saleen staying course.

Saleen, Inc slowly closed during late 2008 with multiple employee layoffs. When HP sold Saleen assets in February 2009, a percentage personnel that worked for “Saleen, Inc” had moved to positions with Techco while most everyone else began new adventures.

After February 2009, MJA did rehire former Saleen sales, quality control and warranty personnel to fill similar or newly opened positions. The 2010-2012 MJA/Revstone production cars were designed by David Byron, former ASC designer, and were produced by Alternative Automotive. It is unclear whether ASC still exists. They may not have survived the collapse.

Alternative Automotive was founded by executives from Saleen Special Vehicles (SSV).

Revstone went into bankruptcy amongst multiple accusations of fraud. There were lists of unhappiness regarding their “family of companies.”

Trademarks for the “S” logo, “Saleen,” “Speedlab,” fonts etc… returned under the control of Steve Saleen during 2012.

ubnhad 09-01-2014 10:27 PM

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Attachment 11641 This is car 11-0041 imported to Australia converted to right hand drive. It is Sterling Gray & has auto trans.

ubnhad 09-01-2014 10:32 PM

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ubnhad 09-01-2014 10:37 PM

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Attachment 11644 Ford Racing Whipple installed on it.

ubnhad 09-01-2014 10:53 PM

Car 11-0010 is Silver and was imported to Australia and converted to RHD TO ADR standards and the vehicle is Australian compliance plated August 2011.


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