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Default Series IV supercharger installation!

I am doing the Series the IV install. I installed the supercar pump, and did the wiring upgrade to make it run at full power.

I hit a bump as I set the IV in place. The "ear" on the lower intake manifold in the right rear corner is hitting. It hits the shaft of the pressure relief butterfly (blow off valve). The series one valve was located higher up on the blower and the stop on the end of the shaft hit on top of the ear. The IV is mounted at the bottom, and the shaft rubs against the front edge of the ear. Anyone had this issue??

I'm thinking of grinding on the leading edge little by little until the blower sits flush. I have an appointment on Monday at 2pm for tune.

Any other suggestions,or pics of the shaft as it hits the stop on your Series IV would be appreciated. On to some pics...





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gonna to grind the leading edge to left of blue line


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90mm MAF
75mm Throttle Body
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sorry for the picture of the blinds!! lol

Can anyone with a Series IV, post a pic of the area in question please
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Series IV w/ pulley boys 2.8 pulley
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42# injectors
Supercar fuel pump w/ wiring mod
90mm MAF
75mm Throttle Body
NGK Tr6
BBK O/R X-Pipe
13" Cobra front brakes
MGW shifter
7" DVD player
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Great stuff! Do you have the Series IV installation manual?
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No, the install is straight forward. I'm just looking for how the ear on the right rear of the lower intake manifold is modified to allow the IV to sit flush. Any pictures of this area on a Series IV would be appreciated. I have an appointment with the tuner on Monday!
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Supercar fuel pump w/ wiring mod
90mm MAF
75mm Throttle Body
NGK Tr6
BBK O/R X-Pipe
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No, the install is straight forward. I'm just looking for how the ear on the right rear of the lower intake manifold is modified to allow the IV to sit flush. Any pictures of this area on a Series IV would be appreciated. I have an appointment with the tuner on Monday!

Your gonna have to grind it down. I looked at my series 2 intake manifold and the area you have in purple is not there. Like they had prepared it for the series IV, but stuck the II on there. Mine looks like the mounts for the fuel rail.

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not that this helps you....but here is my series II manifold. Looks just like yours.

you sure they didn't have a different manifold for the series IV? I mean....it is a completely different company that makes the supercharger (lysholm).
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Evil, it is on yours also..the tab in the lower right hand corner. It sticks up and has an angle sloping toward the front. This is the stop for the blowoff type valve. It has a threaded hole in the top. Mine has a screw inside the threads. 02 S/C can you take some pics of that area and post them please. I am curious how much material had to be ground off. Evil, my intercooler looks a little dufferent than yours, but I was told when I bought the Series IV that they were all the same.

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Supercar fuel pump w/ wiring mod
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75mm Throttle Body
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Evil, it is on yours also..the tab in the lower right hand corner.Rod
i know...that's what I was saying!

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Evil, my intercooler looks a little dufferent than yours, but I was told when I bought the Series IV that they were all the same.

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My intercooler isn't stock....I have the chicane intercooler. That's probably why it looks different.
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Evil, it is on yours also..the tab in the lower right hand corner. It sticks up and has an angle sloping toward the front. This is the stop for the blowoff type valve. It has a threaded hole in the top. Mine has a screw inside the threads. 02 S/C can you take some pics of that area and post them please. I am curious how much material had to be ground off. Evil, my intercooler looks a little dufferent than yours, but I was told when I bought the Series IV that they were all the same.

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Evil has the chicane intercooler. I will get pics soon
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Ok, well I taped the intercooler off, draped the whole engine with blankets zand got out the 4" right angle grinder. It took several test fits, but it sits flush and allows the butterfly to close all the way. The injectors/COPs/intercooler are all bolted down. The Series IV is on, now the tedius job of tightening the bolts on the blower to the intercooler.

While the Series IV design is a little better..there are a few that are going to be a PITA. There is one on the driver's side that I don't know if I can even get a wrench on it. I am going to have to invest in a stubby 13mm wrench. It's a lot of 1/8 turn flip wrench..1/8 turn! Almost done. I'm going to flush the main coolant before the dyno appt. on Monday. The stuff in the heat exchanger tank looks great, the main could use a flush.









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75mm Throttle Body
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awesome! good work on that grinding!
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You made the job harder by not removing the lower intake manifold. I just drained all the fluid, disconnected intercooler hoses and took it out in one piece. But doing that means replacing manifold gaskets, new fluids, and makes it heavy to lay back in while trying to connect the hoses. It saves time I believe than trying to get those tedious screws. Just my opinion
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There are a few that are going to be tuff. There is one right behind the pressure relief valve on driver's side...wow I don't know how I'm going to get a wrench on it. I was going to take the lower out, but did not want to drain fluid. The blower has to go on the silver plate first because the allen screws that hold it to the plate come up through plate from the bottom and into the blower. I put several of the bolts in the holes in the plate before I bolted the plate to the blower. If not there is no room to get the bolt in the hole. Any suggestions on the driver's side one? The bolt head hits the bottom of the blower and doesn't look like it's going to turn. There is already 2 less bolts in the Series IV vs. the Series I.

Also..Series IV with 2.8 pulley, no Mosaleen idler...what size belt. I have a 111" from the Series I.
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It is all bolted on. I stretched a 111.5" belt on it. I have 2 issues now. There is a threaded hole on the driver's side of the silver plate, that is leaking air. What goes here? Do I just close it with a bolt??


The second issue is obviously the intake is too long. What can I do to connect the two for the time being to get it tuned. I know JLT makes a cold air intake for the Series IV. I appears as if I could do a PVC tube with a collar on the MAF side and a step down collar on the other side.
Any suggestions?



No more Series I! It is on it's way to SC. "Charleston" is new owner of a Series I!!
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Supercar fuel pump w/ wiring mod
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What is the gold thing screwed into the silver plate??

also what is the black plastic cylinder shaped thing to the left of the egr... I now don't have that and have an extra harness plug with nothing to connect it to. The connector is right in that area???
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Supercar fuel pump w/ wiring mod
90mm MAF
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NGK Tr6
BBK O/R X-Pipe
13" Cobra front brakes
MGW shifter
7" DVD player
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Is the gold cylinder for a boost gauge? I guess that would make sense as pressure is leaking out of the hole. I know there is a small hole in the bottom of the plate that is part of the threaded hole on the side. I did not have a boost gauge on the Series I. Can i just plug this up?
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75mm Throttle Body
NGK Tr6
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Well it is purring!. I cut the intake just after the curve and used it. This is a temp fix until I can order a tunable intake pipe.

The 111.5" belt was way too small. It maxed out the tensioner, and the belt was rubbing on the base of the tensioner. I bought a 112.5" and it slipped on without so much as a push. I wonder how much slippage I will get. Without a idler, I may try a 112" at a later date.

I put a plug in the hole on the blower plate and it closed off the leak. I put a couple gallons of 93 in the tank and the gauge went up. So it looks as if I have no issues with the re-wiring of the pump/tank! I'm shoring up the heat exchanger a little better, and I'm going to flush the main coolant before Monday's dyno appt.

I did 100% of this myself in the garage. It feels good to turn wrenches yourself. Anyone can throw a a fistful of money to a shop, but I'm getting to know this car pretty well, and it feels good to do it yourself.

After turbo charging a Contour SVT to 315 fwhp..I love doing these projects!
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75mm Throttle Body
NGK Tr6
BBK O/R X-Pipe
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Congratulations on a successful project!
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Well I went to the tuner and we found out I had a leak between the inlet and the blower. It was only making 6-8#, so we did a smoke test and found the leak. I have to pull the blower off and seal it up.

I also need to go with a 112" belt. The 111.5" maxed the tensioner, so I put on a 112.5" for the dyno time. I was able to slip the belt on very easily. It was slipping as there is alot of slack in the belt. I think a 112" will take alot of it out.

We found that my intake temps were really high (180 degrees) after a few pulls. It was blazing hot on Monday also. He thought there may be air in the lines?? Anyone heard of that?

The pump was pumping fine and it was full of fluid. I would like to get a idler, Mosaleen's looks like a good product, but it's expensive. I guess it pays to be the only one on the market! ;)

I'll fix these issues and strap it back down soon.
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Supercar fuel pump w/ wiring mod
90mm MAF
75mm Throttle Body
NGK Tr6
BBK O/R X-Pipe
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2kSVT - It is good to hear that you are doing all the work. It does feel great to know that you built what you drive.

You probably will have high IAT when it's blazing hot outside and ran it a few times. I have 170 IAT's. Try dropping some of that Purple Ice in your reservoir for your inter-cooler.

Mosaleen is a good option to install when you have belt slippage. I would see what other people with a series IV are using for a belt size. Then get a Gator Back belt so it will grip better. I have one on my 03 4V.

I have a Mosaleen pulley that I can sell you.
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Just add a mo-saleen idler pulley and you wont have any belt issues.The small hole on the driverside is for your boost gauge.After your tune what was you Hp at.
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Codered, PM me what you want for Mosaleen. The boost was only at 8# with a horrible leak. It made 313 on the last pull at 8#. I have a 2.8 pulley boys pulley, that is good for 11-13#. I'll try the purple ice. I have a 112" for it.

I think that along with the Mosaleen will be perfect. I'm heading to Pa. for the weekend for a wedding, will tear into it Sunday or Monday night and pull it off. Is there a gasket between the inlet and the blower.or RTV?

It does feel good to do it yourself. It can be frustrating, but after turbo charging the Contour SVT..this is cake!
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Trikpony Intercooler Heatshield
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42# injectors
Supercar fuel pump w/ wiring mod
90mm MAF
75mm Throttle Body
NGK Tr6
BBK O/R X-Pipe
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Codered, PM me what you want for Mosaleen. The boost was only at 8# with a horrible leak. It made 313 on the last pull at 8#. I have a 2.8 pulley boys pulley, that is good for 11-13#. I'll try the purple ice. I have a 112" for it. I think that along with the Mosaleen will be perfect. I'm heading to Pa. for the weekend for a wedding, will tear into it Sunday or Monday night and pull it off. Is there a gasket between the inlet and the blower.or RTV? It does feel good to do it yourself. It can be frustrating, but after turbo charging the Contour SVT..this is cake!

Do not RTV it only. The person who owned my car last used RTV and as you know the intake covers a few s/c bolts. Made it a pain since I couldn't take the s/c intake off. I bought some gasket maker and cut myself a gasket out and used rtv here and there (mainly around the bolts).
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I wouldn't use RTV either, get rubber gasket material and cut your own. I made my own when my supercharger sucked in the gasket between the blower and the intake. At that time Saleen was not selling replacement gasket kits. You can check eBay also, I think I seen a set on there for the series II.
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I'll get some gasket material, and do it once. It is not much fun taking these off. I just got home from PA. I did get to drive my dad's 2002 Roush Stage 2 Procharged Mustang. It has 17,000 miles on the clock, and a little bird told me it will do a looonngg 2 gear burnout in front of grandma's house. ;)

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Supercar fuel pump w/ wiring mod
90mm MAF
75mm Throttle Body
NGK Tr6
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13" Cobra front brakes
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Guys, I bought a roll of Felpro rubber/paper gasket maker. I made a gasket for between the inlet and the blower. I found the bottom two bolts were only finger tight...no wonder it leaked! I have the inlet back on with a gasket so it should be good to go. I just bought a Mosaleen idler from Codered!! No more belt slip.

I am concerned that I had 180* intake air temps. This killed 8* of timing on dyno. I want to make sure the intercooler is flowing ok before I put the blower back on. I searched and found some tips. I turned the key on and the pump kicks on after a few seconds. I loosened the allen screw and let some coolant drip/run out. I read that this helps prime/bleed the pump. I watched the coolant while the pump was running. I can see the fluid "move" but not really swirl. It seems to be vibrating. I can see a small bubble move past the opening every few seconds. It is pumping, just not sure if there is a way to know if it is moving fluid throughout the whole system.

I also found that I Do Not have fans on my intercooler. I don't have a gauge so I never knew what my temps were. When it was on the dyno, it had a fan blowing directly on it. I bought some water wetter for it. It seems it only takes a little bit. The coolant looks brand new in the intercooler reservoir. The main coolant is gross looking and I'm going to flush it out. Help!
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42# injectors
Supercar fuel pump w/ wiring mod
90mm MAF
75mm Throttle Body
NGK Tr6
BBK O/R X-Pipe
13" Cobra front brakes
MGW shifter
7" DVD player
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Some lingo info, LOL!! Your intercooler is under your supercharger and the heat exchanger is located in the front of your car that should have the fans on it. They are not necessary but do come in handy when you are sitting in traffic. If you have them installed they should kick on when you turn on the ignition. You can always upgrade to a bigger H/E to cool more fluid that passes though your intercooler. You could even change out the pump to a higher capacity. IAT temps do kill your timing, can't remember the math for how much timing is pulls for temps over 100*, there is a formula just can't find it.

You have pics of your new install?
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Codered..Yeah I got typing and used the wrong terms! Immeant to say I have no fans on my heat exchanger. My tuner said I lost 8* when I was at 180 IAT. I was just curious if the coolant was not flowing??

The blower is ready to go back on. If there is a coolant flow issue, now is the time to fix it! It was in the mid 90s and humid as hell. It had idled on the dyno and made 3-4 half assed pulls. The combination of loose belt, high temps, air leaking it was not a good day. I also had an issue with the bypass valve going past fully open and locking wide open. It was "locked" open and it wouldn't close when it should have. We used washers and wire ties to rig it up so it wouldn't lock wide open. Anyone had this trouble? Does that mean the bypass valve is broken??

There are few pics in the beginning of this thread of it mounted. The one hose is plugged in IAC instrad of intake..has been fixed. ;)
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Codered..Yeah I got typing and used the wrong terms! Immeant to say I have no fans on my heat exchanger. My tuner said I lost 8* when I was at 180 IAT. I was just curious if the coolant was not flowing??

The blower is ready to go back on. If there is a coolant flow issue, now is the time to fix it! It was in the mid 90s and humid as hell. It had idled on the dyno and made 3-4 half assed pulls. The combination of loose belt, high temps, air leaking it was not a good day. I also had an issue with the bypass valve going past fully open and locking wide open. It was "locked" open and it wouldn't close when it should have. We used washers and wire ties to rig it up so it wouldn't lock wide open. Anyone had this trouble? Does that mean the bypass valve is broken??

There are few pics in the beginning of this thread of it mounted. The one hose is plugged in IAC instrad of intake..has been fixed. ;)
The bypass valve should be sucked open when not in a boosted state. When you are in a boosted state the vacuum drops off and the valve closes. Since the bypass valve has been removed before are you sure that it is mounted correctly? I have not heard of many of them going bad.
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It can really only go one way. I had the tuner rig it. It would lock open while not under boost. I can describe it like top dead center is wide open..it would pull too far open and bottom out/stick open. Then there was not enough pressure (under boost) to pull it back to top dead center/then closed to build boost. This is part of the reason it was only making 6-8#. The other was a 112.5 belt was too loose.
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I'm concerned about the temps I had. The pump is working and it appears the fluid was moving inside the reservoir. How much movement should I see in the reservoir if it is pumping correctly? Is there a possibility that a line is clogged or something and not flowing through the entire system??
The IAT hit 180* on the dyno..and dumped timing. Is there a way to test it? I did loosen the allen screw on the pump and coolant came out. I want the system to do it's job, and I don't want to burn up the pump if something is clogged. The blower is off, so now is the time to fix it.
Anyone??
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I see 130* temps on my dash pod H2O gauge, 195 engine coolant gauge and 170-180 IAT. That Saleen factory H/E is not going to cool that air as much as you think it will. Unless you install a Killer Chiller and run your A/C all the time.

Do you have a plastic or metal intake tube to your throttle body? Where is your air filter inside your fender or in the engine bay? All these will play a part in your IAT also.
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I'm concerned about the temps I had. The pump is working and it appears the fluid was moving inside the reservoir. How much movement should I see in the reservoir if it is pumping correctly? Is there a possibility that a line is clogged or something and not flowing through the entire system??
Did you keep the stock intercooler or was there an intercooler that came with the series 4?

Best way to drop intake temps is if you get the chicane intercooler (which is admittedly harder to find these days now that chicane is gone).
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Thanks for the replies. I have the stock plastic accordian tube cut to fit (for now). My filter is in the fender, via a Densecharger. I have the Series I Saleen lower intake manifold/intercooler. I bought some water wetter to add. I was just nervous that it wasn't flowing. Is there a way to check the flow?? I am ready to reinstall the blower, and now is time to fix intercooler type issues.
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If you take the cap off while it is running you should see water running around in it like flowing into a bucket. Not fast or slow, just medium flow. Like circulating water.
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Tim,
I pulled the cap and turned on the key and watched the tank. When the pump kicked on, there is definate movement of the coolant. I guess I was thinking it would swirl more. But I guess the pump is not super powerful (ie. fuel pump). I'm going to put the blower back on tonight, then install the idler when it comes. I still have the issue with the bypass valve, but I may just try to find a place that sells new ones. the way it is rigged makes it work for now. The bypass valve is 2 short screws to replace.
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Look back at your pics of your new blower. It looks like you are missing a piece that is suppose to go with the bypass valve. There is suppose to be a set screw that limits the travel of the valve. Also you may have to grind down more of that piece that is in the way of the actuator. Need to get a better pic of an actual Saleen installed Series IV blower to confirm what I am talking about. That may be your problem with the valve sticking/going to far.
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Yeah, maybe. I went out and looked at it. If there was another piece it would almost have to bolt up to the bracket of the bypass valve. There is no other area that would mount anything. Per the request of the tuner, I ground down the top of the flange so that the butterfly stops when it hits the case, and not the stop on the shaft. When the butterfly in closed 100% the tab on the shaft does not touch the ground down flange. I got the blower on, and when sinching all the bolts..i dropped the short 13mm wrench down the back! I can't see it, and my telescoping magnet broke and is like 4" long. Grrr. Gonna stop and get a new one tomorrow on way home. I think it is right down by back of lower/intercooler or it may have slid onto transmission. Anyway, it will be ready to run in 20 minutes after I find the wrench. I'll install the idler when it comes and flush main coolant.

If anyone with a Series IV can post close up pics of the area around the bypass valve on the driver's side I would appreciate it.
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Above pic shows the stop that I was talking about (Small screw in the part you grounded on). It is adjusted to prevent the bypass from going to far.



Here also is a old thread from Modularfords about the Chicane upgraded intercooler:
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/s...-4-amp-Extreme

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Cool..look at picture 2. When the flange on the shaft touches the screw..that is the position where the butterfly is closed. I ground down the flange on mine so the tab doesn't touch and the butterfly closes completey. The flange on mine was set up for a Series I. The bypass valve shaft sit in the middle of the blower on the I, as opposed to the bottom on the IV.

The problem I am having is that when the butterfly is open (tab on shaft) goes to far to the left/toward the body of the bypass valve. It then travels too far to the left and locks open. There is not enough pressure in vacuum hose to pull it past 12 o'clock and let it close to build boost.

Is there something that keeps it from going to far to the left??

Does anyone have pics of this area installed in car? Thanks in advance!
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Oh by the way don't ever put one of those metal type air intakes on there because those will soak up heat and transfer it to the air intake. Then you will be in the same boat, they look nice but don't work worth a _____. Go with a plastic or other type of material that won't transfer the heat. With mine the 4V's like a shorter run so that is why I have mine set up like I do. Not sure if the series IV is the same way.
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Okay well it is suppose to touch the screw when there is no vacuum, then once you start the car it should suck that valve open. Then as you mash the gas the vacuum is dropped of and the valve closes. To get it to operate correctly you need to set it up exactly like that. No matter/how ever it was set up for a Series I.


"The problem I am having is that when the butterfly is open (tab on shaft) goes to far to the left/toward the body of the bypass valve. It then travels too far to the left and locks open. There is not enough pressure in vacuum hose to pull it past 12 o'clock and let it close to build boost."

You say there is no pressure in the vacuum hose to push it back to close the position? Well for one as I read this over and over I would say that you have a bad bypass valve because the bypass valve has a spring inside of it that closes it, vacuum opens it / spring in bypass valve closes it.
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Gotcha. I have cut the factory one to fit for now. I'm gonna look for a JLT or something similar. The Densecharger portion of mine is PVC plastic. I only need the section from the MAF to the TB.
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OK, I watched it on the dyno. When it was running it (valve) was open, when he floored it..the valve slammed shut. The problem when it was open, it opened too far and locked open or to the left. The spring may be shot in it!!
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Take the valve and press on the rod to see if you have any resistance or bounces back. If it is sticking or doesn't bounce back the valve is bad. Or take a vacuum pump and suck the valve open as if it was on your car to see if it operates correctly.
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I read a bit ago about someone that had a vacuum leak from a faulty bypass valve. I just went out and messed with mine. I pushed it all the way in and it sticks alittle. I also made a lsight popping noise at times when the rod sprang back. I bet it is shot and the spring isn't pushing hard enough and allowing the rod to travel inside to easily, thus locking it open.

Thanks, now to find a new one!
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Found this..not sure if Series VI bypass valve works on IV. They forget about parts for the old ones!
http://speedlab.saleen.com/store_con...roduct_id=7097
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Found this..not sure if Series VI bypass valve works on IV. They forget about parts for the old ones! They also have the boost gauge sending unit, that hole I have plugged!
http://speedlab.saleen.com/store_con...roduct_id=7097
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Supercar fuel pump w/ wiring mod
90mm MAF
75mm Throttle Body
NGK Tr6
BBK O/R X-Pipe
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Here you can try here:

http://speedlab.saleen.com/store_con...roduct_id=7096
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LOL, we must have been looking at the same site. Yeah I would put a boost gauge in there to ensure you are getting full boost.
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