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As long as folks are enjoying themselves... that's all that matters. I know when this thread receives a new post... it gets spied on with a "look what they're saying now" comment.
Regardless on how folks want to cut it. SS was a fairly important component to the cars we celebrate. There where various financial backers, people working in the parts department, engineers, marketers, sales people etc. As a collective they worked to create a whole over the 25 years. SS is a great marketer. He knows what his cars should be, resonate on sight and could explain in reasonable fashion to the auto scribes and public why we should care. People who purchased the cars felt they where not only buying an enthusiasts car, but buying into a family atmosphere. One could see this with the files ASC/Saleen dumped out of Irvine on their move to Troy. Various letters, photos, updates written by owners about their Saleens and family. Material 10-15+ years old... but still dumped as garbage. Some purchased these as cars and used them as such, others made their Saleen a family member and felt a connection to share the trials, tribulations, joys and adventure with their Saleen vehicle. The 2010 MJA/SPV S281 is an interesting Mustang, but at the end of the day... there was more going on then building a cool car. My only worry for MJA/SPV... is if they listen to the wrong voices about who the owners and enthusiasts are as well as what drives these folks into the purchase of an unnecessary toy. The Saleen Autosport Tempo... hands down winner. |
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Its a great car no doubt! But the best Saleen ever ?
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best saleen EVER is "S7" hahahhaahha come on now how can you argue that one
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I vote for the thunderbird concept
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Best Saleen Mustang
If you scroll down the thread I had originally stated Best Saleen Mustang just to clarify, somehow that got convoluted. Dave I am in agreement in some ways with you. Yes SS was a great marketer and his company ( with all his employees built a good car ). I would withhold the term great because only time tells certian things. But as far as present marketing strategies concerning MJ, I think you could be off the mark. The money is no object days of the nineties and early 2000 years is a bygone era. SS had the time of his life during these years, but they are over. No more throwing money around at cars like drunken sailors simply because the money is not there anymore. Any shrewd car company that is marketing its wares is looking to build a great car at a lower price, any company that isn't, is living in fantasyland. Yes, there as SS coined it, will always be a "few" but money and company viability is not based on a few, ask Mr. Shelby. So to build a car that appeals to the masses and is reasonably priced- could be the trick of the week.
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As you said "time will tell"... I don't plan to be in the market for a new car for quite some time (2018 - I plan these things in advance! ), but it certainly is interesting to watch... Chris. |
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Hey Chris, with your car I'd think I found the holy grail so I don't think I would be looking either. I'm building what you have didn't have the cash to do it all at once. But slowly but surely have been accumulating different pieces to the puzzle and now my grail is almost there.
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Steve Saleen = SMS
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Only if the faithful accept is as such.
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Gran Turismo
Well, in any case I hope someone at Saleen enters the new S281 into the "SEMA Best of show award" - I would love to see it in Gran Turismo (not that I have actually played the game...).
Chris. |
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I Also agree 100% with these statments...for what it's worth
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To respond: "if the car appeals to the masses it is not special" Come on Dave, I'll give you an example: Did you ever hear of a Boss 302? It appealed to the masses, WAS realitively cheap and a very SPECIAL automobile.
As far as the employees of Saleen go... Did they receive the same profits and dividends that the hierarchy exponged? I think not. So fair credit for failure has to be doled out accordingly. The old addage may apply here: "the fish rots from the head down". Fantasyland is a good term, but do you really think there are enough customers out there to buy into Fantasyland? Remains to be seen.... Also, Do you really consider the MJ/Saleen A CHEAP PRODUCT? Cheap on who's level? Bill Gates?? How can anyone derive what kind of product this car will be by seeing 3 partial pics? From what I know, the guys at SPV deserve better than just being browbeat, they are a great bunch of guys attempting to renew something with some very good automobiles. We are not giving them credit for what they are doing, remember this IS their first year. As far as Mr. Shelby/ Mr. Saleen goes.... they both have built great cars over the years. I would have to think Mr. Shelby's first foray into building cars far overshadowed anything Mr. Saleen has done, or will do. His Cobra's, Mustang's and GT40's are not in the same conversation as what Mr. Saleen built ( although I think Mr. Saleen did build some very good cars. His cars just don't stack up). Mr. Shelby is an automotive icon and deserves the accolades he receives. And hopefully, someone will bring up the S-7 ( a great car) but how many times did it win at LeMans? I am not trying to beat up on Mr. Saleen. I think he was quite a good auto builder in his day, but if you are about to put Mr. Shelby in a box, Is Mr. Saleen far behind??? Hmmmm..... |
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So the real question here(in my oppinion) is this... If you were in the market for a new specialty mustang right now. Would you buy the SMS car or the Saleen? Or would you go for the Shelby? If you were going to buy one, which one would you buy?
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Actually, that is a good question. Will SPV continue to offer the custom paint option? I know that SMS does (or at least, lists a price for it), and Shelby does not. And to follow on to that question, whatever happened to the Troy paint facility - reputed to be "one of the best in America"? I don't believe MJ purchased it (at least, it was still on the "for sale" menu after the Saleen purchase) - is it mothballed and still owned by HP, or owned by a bank now? Chris. |
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The GTs were their (FMC) cars. Firms like Holman Moody and Bill Stroppe can take the re-engineered, winning, Ford GT credit and success as well. Quote:
He didn't race his creations and he didn't build his creations. The Mustangs were forced upon him and the revamped GT was Ford's billion dollar out-sourced project. Quote:
And again... different eras. Bringing a vehicle to market like the S7 in 2000 was a much daunting task then building a Cobra in 1962. The SMS 570 and 460 indicate to me... that Phil Frank & SS are thinking outside the box... with these limited edition, cohesive, imaginative, performance vehicles. Fantasyland is rockin'. |
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Dave, I respect the opinions you have on different prior topics but you have your opinions and I have mine. That's what makes the world go round. I just find that although this is a Saleen Forum that a lot of times there is bias toward anyone that does not believe Steve Saleen is god. I feel that as long as everyone stays civil and tries to speak his or her own opinions other members can get good info. Dave, I do not know your history with Mr. Saleen but it does sound like there is something there. If there is, well sorry if I get you upset personally, but I have differing views than you. I also have been around Ford's and racing my whole life. There probably hasn't been too many older Mustangs I have not owned over the many years I have been wrenching and driving America's favorite ponycar. Maybe the Saleen experience is not for me because at times I feel that the way people buy Saleen's is to pay a lot of money and have them built already or at least that is the perception I am getting. Hmmm... Spend a whole lot of money ( modding a car) when I can use the same parts and do it myself and enjoy the car more because I built it. I have owned a 70 Boss 302 for 28 years now and have turned every bolt on that car and that is what I am most proud of.. I did all the work on that car. If you can't do things yourself ,hey it's great to have the Saleen's and Shelby's out there but, nothing is like using your own creativity and workmanship.
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SMS all the way - the 2010 Saleen - looks like a mustang w/ a rice kit on it and its HP is below the previous models !!! As for the Shelby - it feels like I would just being buying the name only. You get a car that goes fast in a single line, however the suspension of going left and right is very questionable. On the top of its price point being highly inflated and the fact that they are not as exclusive as the Saleens or SMS's. Obvious answer !!
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Correct. I have no issue. Go U.S.A.! |
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My bad - I was talking about the 435S - i was confused !! I will keep my fingers crossed for S281.
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Jess Albright should know. Considering though, the custom colors are connected to SS... not sure if they want to celebrate his legacy. Maybe MJA can create new colors with new stories/connections?
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Suspension, shifter, braking, differential etc is all carryover from the previous generation. The charger has minor updates, but not much to R&D for a 2010. |
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2010 s281
Just curious Dave how do you know so much about the S281 before its unveiling? Most of us know nothing or very little about the specs on this "new" car. Where are you getting your info from? Or is this speculation? It just seems to me this thread has seemed very one-sided BTW thanks MARZ for chiding in- it seemed I was arguing my point alone... ahhh see there are people out there that are for SPV doing well, not just SS cronies praying for their demise. I feel competition with new cars will only breed better quality automobililes as customers look to see and educate themselves on which marque may suit their individual lifestyle. More competition= better cars and more options (vehicles) to choose from.
Dave, ready for dissection! |
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Guys can we get this thread back on track. It was opened to get our opinion on the 2010 S281. As Jess indicated the final and official details will not be released until SEMA.
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If I haven't stated so already, I like the overall look of the S281 seen in the teasers. Was never a big fan of the spoiler on the 05-09 but this model looks like it may need one. Otherwise, it looks to share the same DNA with the previous model. Good job Jess & team :)
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2007 Saleen S281 Coupe 2007 Saleen S281 Speedster sold 2003 Saleen S281 Extreme sold Last edited by NeoS281; 10-23-2009 at 09:18 AM. Reason: Grammatical error |
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Again I say can we get back to the reason this thread was started.....opinion of the S281. Like, dislike, what would you change, etc....
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I agree, and I answered that question already, maybe we should start a new thread as it seems people have alot to say off the original topic.
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Justin Villa 06-878 S281 SC |
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N/a s281
Just to clarify Justin, I do not own a GT I own an 2005 S281 N/A and I was referring to converting the N/A car into the E-car not converting a GT. Just for clarification purposes only. Sorry for going off topic, Greg
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I'm not upset just putting my thoughts out there, for the record tho the line reads "Maybe the Saleen experience is not for me because at times I feel that the way people buy Saleen's is to pay a lot of money and have them built already or at least that is the perception I am getting", so I assumed you were talking about Saleens in general, not just S/C saleens. You have a much better point if talking about just adding the blower and/or hood and other unique things that come with the S/C car but still I really dont think that saves you money or pride from sense of ownership.If you are indeed going to add those things anyways....
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Last edited by Saleen Forums Admin; 10-23-2009 at 01:59 AM. Reason: Add photo source |
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Mars,
it's really exciting to see those photos! I really like the new seat design. Can't wait to see it as a whole. |
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that yellow one in the back of the pic looks SWEET!!!
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You beat me to it! Anyway, I call dibs!
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S281
It looks like SPV just set the bar very high! It looks like your competition has some catching up to do! That car is HOT!!!
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Wtf
Am I out of the loop, I thought these guys dishonored all our warranties. Now they build new cars?
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I don't own a stake in either. Doesn't make a difference to me who does what on a new car sales/offering standpoint.
By offering a new product, by a new company with a familiar name with a selection of carryover parts... MJA bought visibility in the marketplace. Since SMS Supercars follows the traditions set by he vehicles produced by Saleen Autosport and Saleen Performance, with this fleet of historical performance products behind them aided by a Phil Frank penned design... it's the natural winner and heir to the legacy. Quote:
Work with Jess Albright first. SMS Supercars second. Rule-of-Thumb. |
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We need to clarify that these photos are from the Saleen Speedlab Facebook page.
Always give the source for photos and stories, please. |
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The point I was trying to make is I had hoped Saleen paid attention to all the small things that focuses on the S-cars performance. The end :)
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2007 Saleen S281 Coupe 2007 Saleen S281 Speedster sold 2003 Saleen S281 Extreme sold Last edited by NeoS281; 10-23-2009 at 02:54 PM. |
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Ok Jess, we've seen the pics how 'bout the specs? Does this killer looking car do the dance also? It looks mean. I'm hoping performance is there also, and maybe a couple of different variations of models. N/A , S/C, E, etc.?
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I thought we were back on subject there for a minute... I love the new pics, thanks for posting. I have to wonder what is so special about the mid point of the car that they are keeping from us, is it just me or does every spy photo just show the corners?? I can see a glimpse of the yellow one and it looks sweet, great decals and something is going on with the b pillar there that looks pretty unique.
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That is an S7... good eye, I was too busy trying to see what it looked like.
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I still call dibs!
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