Troyer info

[Light02atl]

OK guys, there have been a lot of posts in various threads regarding performance options for these trucks, drone of the exhaust system, and trouble shooting.

Yesterday I spent 2 and a half hours on the phone with Mike Troyer. Today I spent another 2 and a half hours on the phone with him...HE LIKES TO TALK! If you do not know who he is, just search his name on google.

As you all know JDM is offering a "kit" for these trucks. It consists of a CAI setup, pulley, and 1 tune. This kit gives you up to 75rwhp and it costs $1800 + shipping.

Troyer is also offering a kit for these trucks. It consists of a CAI setup, pulley, and 3 custom tunes. Mike said he will make as many adjustments as necessary until you are happy with the tune. In comparison, I could not get JDM to call me back or email me when I said I needed my tune adjusted. The troyer setup is currently priced at $1000 shipped. In mid December, this kit is going up to $1200. Mike has said he has seen anywhere from a 68-82rwhp gain with this kit.

Why is the Troyer kit so much cheaper? The real question is, why is the JDM kit so expensive. It is my opinion that JDM had somewhat of a monopoly on the market for these trucks....not anymore. Mike has also said that he just doesnt feel comfortable overcharging people so much.

Will the troyer kit net you more MPG? Mike's response to this is...possibly. He said that some guys have gained up to 3mpg more, some have seen none. He attributes this to your driving style and what kind of gas you are putting in the truck. He does not tune for MPG, its just a byproduct of setting up the tune more efficiently. As I said, he doesnt not advertise better MPG, because that is not always the case.

How much more HP does the stage II troyer kit provide? The stage II kit consists of Dynatech longtubes, magnaflow cats, a 3.0" SC pulley, and a fuel system upgrade consisting of a dual hat fuelpump setup and two Ford GT pumps. 60lb injectors are optional. This kit should net you another 50rwhp+/-. The stage I and II kit combined will put your S331 at 450-470rwhp...depending on if you are using 91 or 93 octane. Mike said that is the maximum hp he feels comfortable pushing a stock engine to.

Correct pinion angle. Many of you may feel a vibration when accelerating. You MUST have your pinion angle checked. I suggest having it done at an independent shop, then bringing it to Ford for a warranty fix. Or you can shim it yourself. Some of these trucks have seen as much as negative 9 degrees on the pinion angle. It should be around negative 1-2 degrees. This wears out your rearend, robs you of some HP, and causes the vibration.

Exhaust drone issue. Mike and I discussed this at length today. He is offereing any S331 owner the chance to bring their truck to his shop in VA and he will custom make an exhaust kit at cost. He says he will need the truck approximate three days. We think we came up with the solution of running a dual magnaflow muffler setup with a 2.5 single I/O on each muffler. Each muffler would be 14" long, but because each are a single I/O, there is actually more material to deaden out the sound. Another option might be to add a resonator between the cats and the muffler. I hope someone brings their truck to him. I am thinking of having an exhaust shop mocking up this setup down here. We have a good one just south of Atlanta.

Some of you have had a ticking coming from your valve covers...or what seems to be your valve covers. If this ticking increases when throttle, it is more than likely the injectors and it is normal. If it ocmpletely goes away with throttle, it may be the cam phasers...a warranty issue.

I think I covered all the questions that everyone emailed me. If you have anymore, just ask. I am sure he addressed them in our conversation.

-Shane

[Light02atl]

Oh, and something I learned is that some of these trucks had a single in dual out exhaust setup, some had 2.5 in, 2.25 out, and some had 2.5 in and 2.5 out. SOme came with Magnaflow muffler, some came with borla, some came with an edelbrock design. crazy if you ask me.

[SaleenKS]

I also talked to Mile Troyer for over an hour yesterday. This guy was a wealth of information and I am sold on his stage one system.

[2007SaleenS331]

I currently have a JDM kit on my S331 and I am not very satisfied with the performance and 2-3 shift. I talked to Mike Troyer on monday with the problems that I had with this kit for an hour and 20 minutes. I was very impressed with all the info that he had to offer on a fix for my problem. After listening to his answers to this problem, I purchased his kit with the long tube headers. I am going to talk to Mike again per Shane's email about doing true dual exhaust using the original side exit. I have a good friend in Billings that can build me the 2.5 inch exhaust pipes. I will more then likely purchase the mufflers from Mike. I will keep you posted on the final outcome of the exhaust system.

[Light02atl]

I have attached sketch I did quickly in MS paint for a true dual setup. UNtil someone actually goes this route, there are various magnaflow part numbers to choose from for the mufflers. The only issue I see is that there is no crossover. Thats not a HUGE problem, but I know some people like to run an xpipe.

Cost for this setup is pricey. I have estimated $1700 in parts alone.

Dynatech headers
2x magnaflow mufflers
2x magnaflow cats
piping
Shop supplies

Probably between $2000-$2500 installed.

[2007SaleenS331]

Thanks Shane....I figured that was the way the system would be routed. As soon as I get all the parts, I will have my exhaust guy build the system to the side exits.

[burnouts331]

Does troyer have the kits on their website yet or do you have to call to order? I have looked all over but I don't see any kits for the saleen.

[Light02atl]

Originally Posted by burnouts331

Does troyer have the kits on their website yet or do you have to call to order? I have looked all over but I don't see any kits for the saleen.

You have to call and order it. Make sure if you call, you have about 30-45 min to spend on the phone. Mike will ask a lot of questions about how you drive and what not so your tune is optimal. You can email sales@troyerperformance.com and just tell Anita to have Mike call you Re: S331 Stage I kit. She usually responds in a few hours.

[331spank]

hi Guy's
i also had a problem with the reverberence in the cab, especially when using hands free phone. I have installed additional mufflers in the tail pipes, made by an exhaust specialist. these measure 34" long and 4" dia. They are working very well, similer levels to the Harley supercharged edition. These have been installed behind the side skirts.
hope this is some help.

Sean

[2007SaleenS331]

I am going to redo my exhaust, but putting the 4:56 gears in my truck got the rpms up where the drone isn't quite so bad and annoying.

[Light02atl]

There is not much to the Troyer Kit, but you pay for knowledge. I will probably end up bending a heat shield for the air filter.

This kit + tuning equates to a 75-82rwhp gain

[dentguy]

well, looking at the troyer kit and comparing it to the jdm kit , I would prefer the jdm kit simply because the jdm kit looks factory it has the nice thick relocating brackets, big factory looking air box and the the throttle body is turned to where the tube attaches straight to it instead of a 90 degree turn. I did'nt see a belt does it come with it? I can see why the jdm kit is more but maybe only 500$ more not 900$. the programmer tuning i can't say i'v only tried the jdm tuning, but after listening to mike his tuning has got to be 1 of the best on the market i would assume, because he takes everything into account when he does his tune. these trucks are to nice and to expensive to have it look aftermarket under the hood jmo.

[Light02atl]

Dentguy,

The kits look totally different. I do have a question though. What pics have you seen of the JDM kit that show the throttle body mounts straight fwd for the intake tube to attach to it? I am looking at some hi def pictures of the JDM kit I received from someone and the rubber elbow shown in the Troyer kit looks to also be used by JDM in their kit. I dont see any relocation or turning of the TB. If you know something different let me know so I can piece together a hybrid kit

Now, if someone could come out with a kit that would do that...and have the TB point fwd...there is probably tons of HP to be picked up from that. I am going to look into it and see how hard it would be to do.

I can fwd you some pics of the JDM kit installed and the Troyer Kit installed if you want to see them. Just email me at light02atl@yahoo.com.

Additionally, I agree with seeing why the JDM kit is more expensive...there are more parts and brackets. I like the closed airbox too. I am going to make a heat shield for mine.

Have a good one!

[dentguy]

light02atl,

I have the jdm kit on my truck. it's an aluminum piece thats bolts where the tb was and then the tb is turned to face forward and bolts to it . looks real nice and factory . only problem you can't change it back because you have to drill the two front threads out where the tb originally bolted down.

[2007SaleenS331]

The early JDM kits had this aluminum throttle body piece. When I got my JDM kit, it had a plastic manifold that is used on the Explorer and/or the Excursion. At any rate, it was a factory Ford manifold part. In their installation video, they show the aluminum throttle body elbow that dentguy is talking about.

[Light02atl]

So, there are two versions of the JDM kit? An early version with an aluminum piece that mounts the TB facing fwd, and a later kit that uses a piece from an excursion or Expedition?

Were these kits the same price and provide the same power output

Im confrused.

[dentguy]

light02atl,

the only things that looks the same in those pics,is the airbox,the tube and the brackets, the cover over the tb and the I'm guessing that's a pvc cylinder on pass side? that's not what I have. the original pvc tube connects to where that plug is on the plastic tube . and the aluminum elbo has the tb facing forward ,where tube connects directly to it.

[Light02atl]

This has left me scratching my head. When I spoke with Jim about the kit, he told me about the TB facing fwd. Then, I get pics of the kit installed and it doesnt have that. Then, you say your kit does. So....there are two kits? Identically priced? But one has a billet (high dollar) piece, and the other has a totally different piece and keeps the TB in the stock location?

2007SaleenS331, did you order the "complete" kit....or just pieces?

Dentguy.....if you have some pics of your JDM kit installed, Id love to see them.

[dentguy]

sure , i'll take some pics tomorrow and sendem to ya.

[2007SaleenS331]

Shane...I ordered my kit from Cambell Ford. It was a complete JDM kit with airbox, pulley, relocating brackets, serp belt, plastic manifold (not aluminum like described in installation video), installation dvd and SCT Xcal 2 tuner with 91 & 93 octane tunes. The aluminum canister in the pics I sent you is an oil separator that I purchased from DMRacing. The JDM kit cost me $2044.95 shipped to my door. I am sure it was cheaper for JDM to send the plastic Ford manifold. I was told this kit would produce 400 to 430 rwhp when I purchased it.

[Light02atl]

I know about the OS. DMracing is 15 min from my house. I have hung out with Garrett a good bit until we had a falling out.

Was there any explanation as to why the kit was changed? When I spoke with Jim Jr, one of the main selling points he had was the billet elbow? that changed the position of the TB. But, it looks like that is no longer included in the kit? Or maybe NOW it is included in the kit and it wasnt before, but the price is the same?

***note to everyone***

I am not bashing here. I hope it is not coming across like that. I am just trying to figure out what kit is what and whats included with what kit for what price.

(wow, thats a lot of "kits" and "whats" in that last sentence)

[2007SaleenS331]

I never did quiz JDM about the plastic manifold taking place of the billet elbow...I should have though. Would really like to know if the billet elbow was suppose to be in my kit, instead of the plastic manifold. I bought the kit in January of 08.

[JimIII@JDM]

Originally Posted by 2007SaleenS331

I never did quiz JDM about the plastic manifold taking place of the billet elbow...I should have though. Would really like to know if the billet elbow was suppose to be in my kit, instead of the plastic manifold. I bought the kit in January of 08.

We had switched to the plastic manifolds for about 6 months because the billet elbows weren't available. We contracted to have casted pieces made and thats what we are using now. Either piece works just as well as the other for power and fittment.

JimIII

[dentguy]

well, I think the plastic manifold still looks factory . the jdm kit with either one of those pieces still looks factory to me and would be hard to tell it was aftermarket. but do you really think it would be a noticeable difference in power you could feel between the the two parts? I would have thought the tune would be the more feel in your seat difference of the two kits jmt.

[sman113]

I posted a link to pics of the Troyer kit in the "sparkplug blowout" thread.